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People leave managers, not companies. Is it true?
People leave managers, not companies. There could be many reasons why people leave a company but immediate reporting manager is still considered as one of the main reasons? Do you agree or is it just a myth? What's your opinion?
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I agree, Jaleel. I believe that personal relationships are more important than company loyalty.
I think this is generally true but it may extend beyond the immediate manager to the higher ranks. Staff usually commiserate with their immediate boss and see a bottleneck up the line.
The second major reason for leaving is a recognition or perception that there are no opportunities or path for advancement. This may be because of the industry, the companies position within the industry, the corporate culture, or management failure to recognize and promote capable staff.
It is not true. Managers are there for a reason: because they are in line with the culture of the organization. Then, people leave organizations. Unfortunatelly, in the last years, some buzzwords or buzzstatements are there like what you stated. At the end, all that things helps organization do not make "mea culpa" or a real analysis about their accountability as an organization.
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2 replies by Anton Oosthuizen and Justus N
Feb 26, 2020 2:31 PM
Justus N
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Sergio,
Unfortunately that is not the case in many organizations. I have worked at several organizations where the culture was great and people loved the company, but, the manger caused people to look elsewhere.
Mar 02, 2020 11:25 PM
Anton Oosthuizen
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The statement that people leave managers and not organizations is a generalization and people actually leave both depending on the situation. The statement "because they are in line with the culture of the organization" is also a generalization. Managers and leaders SHOULD be inline with the culture AND the culture should be ethically sound. If a manager or leader behaves unethically in an organization there is a very good chance that this behavior is supported by the culture.
Dear Jaleel,

I would agree with your statement. The people who are immediately around you and who you are dealing with on a daily basis in the worplace will ultimately defined your work 'experience' and you general happiness level within an organization.

The need to feel appreciated and wanted is an overwhelming factor when people decide to remain or quite their job. Salary, responsibilities, career progression and status would be lower down the list on methods in order to retain staff so having a manager that you are reporting into that embodies Emotional Intelligence along with the seven attributes discussed in other posts would be rarity not the norm in the workplace.

Daire
Jaleel -

I completely agree.

I've left some organizations with a great corporate culture because the people manager I had was horrible. I've also stuck around a long time in companies with a terrible prevailing culture because the people manager did an excellent job of creating a safe space for his/her team.

Kiron
The people surrounding you, your manager more than others, have much more impact on how you feel daily, that the company does.
Jaleel,
Agree with you and with the comments of most of the previous comments. Doesn't matter if you have free breakfast, a gym or other benefits at job if your manager or peers aren't supportive or bully you.
Feb 26, 2020 9:56 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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It is not true. Managers are there for a reason: because they are in line with the culture of the organization. Then, people leave organizations. Unfortunatelly, in the last years, some buzzwords or buzzstatements are there like what you stated. At the end, all that things helps organization do not make "mea culpa" or a real analysis about their accountability as an organization.
Sergio,
Unfortunately that is not the case in many organizations. I have worked at several organizations where the culture was great and people loved the company, but, the manger caused people to look elsewhere.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Feb 26, 2020 2:47 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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I understand and I know it. I was in that situation. But at the end you will find is a matter of organizational culture. There is not explanation about a manager that have an style that do not match with the organziational culture still remains. As the as the wise said "behind the truth is always the truth". Organizations have a tendency to put the burden on people's shoulders and then dispense with them saying "we had nothing to do with this". Is pure logic. The point is: are we ready to understand and accept that a manager is there because the organization put it there and that means it is compatible with the organzational culture, style, values, etc etc? Or do we need to justify our decision to work for it and do not recognize that we make a mistake? We have to see behind the curtain..... Could the organization make a mistake when select a manger? Sure. But this will be detected before prople leave the organization because the manager. Believe me, organizations always assign the manager they need to achieve strategic goals. After a period, you will find the organization fire them in line with the change into its strategy. Keep your eyes open to accept the game rules, no more than that. Is not "bad" or "good" is just to be aware of the game rules.
Feb 26, 2020 2:31 PM
Replying to Justus N
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Sergio,
Unfortunately that is not the case in many organizations. I have worked at several organizations where the culture was great and people loved the company, but, the manger caused people to look elsewhere.
I understand and I know it. I was in that situation. But at the end you will find is a matter of organizational culture. There is not explanation about a manager that have an style that do not match with the organziational culture still remains. As the as the wise said "behind the truth is always the truth". Organizations have a tendency to put the burden on people's shoulders and then dispense with them saying "we had nothing to do with this". Is pure logic. The point is: are we ready to understand and accept that a manager is there because the organization put it there and that means it is compatible with the organzational culture, style, values, etc etc? Or do we need to justify our decision to work for it and do not recognize that we make a mistake? We have to see behind the curtain..... Could the organization make a mistake when select a manger? Sure. But this will be detected before prople leave the organization because the manager. Believe me, organizations always assign the manager they need to achieve strategic goals. After a period, you will find the organization fire them in line with the change into its strategy. Keep your eyes open to accept the game rules, no more than that. Is not "bad" or "good" is just to be aware of the game rules.
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1 reply by Ravi Shekhar Ojha
Feb 27, 2020 9:39 AM
Ravi Shekhar Ojha
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Hi Sergio,

I agree with your both the comments word by word. It seems you've excellent experience into the industry and you've written the hidden fact which many people don't know because they don't know the complete hierarchy and structure of the organization and how the culture flows through it. If organizations know that people are leaving the organization because of the managers then why don't organizations fire those managers - reason is simple because organizations force its culture through the managers and people reporting to the manager think that Manager has created his/her own culture, which is not the truth.
As with many statements asserting a truism, it isn't quite that simple. Certainly people will depart from under a poor manager if they see no way to transfer away from that manager. But as noted by others, if corporate culture is too toxic or corporate directions aren't going the right way, people will depart good managers too - though they may hold on a bit longer.
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