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People leave managers, not companies. Is it true?

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Jaleel . PMP, Associate Director| MetricStream Bangalore, India
People leave managers, not companies. There could be many reasons why people leave a company but immediate reporting manager is still considered as one of the main reasons? Do you agree or is it just a myth? What's your opinion?
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Wayne Mack Retired| Retired South Riding, Va, United States
In today's more transient work environment, people will leave. It is a sign of a (very?) good manager that he or she finds ways to keep people.
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Kai Erben Deputy Director| Tractebel France Asnières Sur Seine, Iles De France, France
I believe that people have quite some issues with their management. It's not always the best person who is picked to manage, not to forget that managing people is an art: not everyone can do it.
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Eduard Hernandez
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Product Operations Program Manager Barcelona, Cataluña, Spain
People might leave companies for different reasons. In my opinion, the top three are:

1. Bad working environment, including having a bad manager
2. Existence of a glass ceiling
3. Change of direction in professional career, mostly prevalent in young professionals

In my personal experience, I did have some very bad managers. It was not pleasant and surely played a role in my decision of leaving.
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Ravi Shekhar Ojha Manager- Corporate IT| Kohler Co. Pune, Maharashtra, India
Feb 26, 2020 2:47 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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I understand and I know it. I was in that situation. But at the end you will find is a matter of organizational culture. There is not explanation about a manager that have an style that do not match with the organziational culture still remains. As the as the wise said "behind the truth is always the truth". Organizations have a tendency to put the burden on people's shoulders and then dispense with them saying "we had nothing to do with this". Is pure logic. The point is: are we ready to understand and accept that a manager is there because the organization put it there and that means it is compatible with the organzational culture, style, values, etc etc? Or do we need to justify our decision to work for it and do not recognize that we make a mistake? We have to see behind the curtain..... Could the organization make a mistake when select a manger? Sure. But this will be detected before prople leave the organization because the manager. Believe me, organizations always assign the manager they need to achieve strategic goals. After a period, you will find the organization fire them in line with the change into its strategy. Keep your eyes open to accept the game rules, no more than that. Is not "bad" or "good" is just to be aware of the game rules.
Hi Sergio,

I agree with your both the comments word by word. It seems you've excellent experience into the industry and you've written the hidden fact which many people don't know because they don't know the complete hierarchy and structure of the organization and how the culture flows through it. If organizations know that people are leaving the organization because of the managers then why don't organizations fire those managers - reason is simple because organizations force its culture through the managers and people reporting to the manager think that Manager has created his/her own culture, which is not the truth.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Feb 27, 2020 9:58 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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That´s my point @Ravi. And believe me, I faced lot of situations as described by people above. Because of that I tried to understand "why?" and "how?" to face those managers. In the journey when I started getting information mainly when I have to perform as an external consultant to help organizations to put strategy on action worked with the top management (most of them well known people), lot of different organizations including it governamental proffit and non-proffit, I understood that somebody is not there without a reason and most of the times the reason is because the top management need they managers there to achieve the strategy. "Behind the truth is always the truth". We need to open our eyes do not fall in "The Matrix". Is not a concern. My point is people have to be aware about the game to play and play it if they want. But not agree with the mascarade.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Feb 27, 2020 9:39 AM
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Hi Sergio,

I agree with your both the comments word by word. It seems you've excellent experience into the industry and you've written the hidden fact which many people don't know because they don't know the complete hierarchy and structure of the organization and how the culture flows through it. If organizations know that people are leaving the organization because of the managers then why don't organizations fire those managers - reason is simple because organizations force its culture through the managers and people reporting to the manager think that Manager has created his/her own culture, which is not the truth.
That´s my point @Ravi. And believe me, I faced lot of situations as described by people above. Because of that I tried to understand "why?" and "how?" to face those managers. In the journey when I started getting information mainly when I have to perform as an external consultant to help organizations to put strategy on action worked with the top management (most of them well known people), lot of different organizations including it governamental proffit and non-proffit, I understood that somebody is not there without a reason and most of the times the reason is because the top management need they managers there to achieve the strategy. "Behind the truth is always the truth". We need to open our eyes do not fall in "The Matrix". Is not a concern. My point is people have to be aware about the game to play and play it if they want. But not agree with the mascarade.
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1 reply by Ravi Shekhar Ojha
Feb 27, 2020 12:38 PM
Ravi Shekhar Ojha
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I'd also like to add that even if people are stick to the organization for good reasons then also Organization as a whole is responsible for the good cause not the manager. I've seen same people working into different organizations behaving differently. The same person is called a good cause in one organization and called a bad cause in another, how can the same person change him/her self so frequently, off course that's not possible. Since, the same person changes the employer that's why that manager is named for good or bad cause as per the organization culture. This is the same fact which you're talking about in the other words.
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Jaleel . PMP, Associate Director| MetricStream Bangalore, India
Hi All, thanks for your inputs and opinions provided. Very interesting. Collating the replies, I see that majority agree to it that manager does have a role rather I should say major role in leaving the companies. Of course other factors such as culture, progression, responsibilities, direction in career etc could also be a reason. But is it not right to say that managers still have a role in these "other factors" as well. Is it not managers who have the responsibility to bring in right culture, create equal opportunity, show and provide career guidance and growth, provide the required visibility of his/her team members to top management, balance between the expectations of top management and his/her team members?
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Feb 27, 2020 12:20 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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In the last times people are contributing to help organizations to avoid its accountability. That´s my point. Say the people leave organizations because of managers is help organizations to avoid its accountability about managers are selected by them and managers are there because organizations selected them due to their style is aligened with organizational strategy. That´s not new. Just to put it in the framework where people can find "academic" work on that people can take a look to Tom Peters (in fact McKensy) "7 s model" that people could find inside "In search of excellence" book or for free into the internet.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Feb 27, 2020 11:21 AM
Replying to Jaleel .
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Hi All, thanks for your inputs and opinions provided. Very interesting. Collating the replies, I see that majority agree to it that manager does have a role rather I should say major role in leaving the companies. Of course other factors such as culture, progression, responsibilities, direction in career etc could also be a reason. But is it not right to say that managers still have a role in these "other factors" as well. Is it not managers who have the responsibility to bring in right culture, create equal opportunity, show and provide career guidance and growth, provide the required visibility of his/her team members to top management, balance between the expectations of top management and his/her team members?
In the last times people are contributing to help organizations to avoid its accountability. That´s my point. Say the people leave organizations because of managers is help organizations to avoid its accountability about managers are selected by them and managers are there because organizations selected them due to their style is aligened with organizational strategy. That´s not new. Just to put it in the framework where people can find "academic" work on that people can take a look to Tom Peters (in fact McKensy) "7 s model" that people could find inside "In search of excellence" book or for free into the internet.
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Ravi Shekhar Ojha Manager- Corporate IT| Kohler Co. Pune, Maharashtra, India
Feb 27, 2020 9:58 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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That´s my point @Ravi. And believe me, I faced lot of situations as described by people above. Because of that I tried to understand "why?" and "how?" to face those managers. In the journey when I started getting information mainly when I have to perform as an external consultant to help organizations to put strategy on action worked with the top management (most of them well known people), lot of different organizations including it governamental proffit and non-proffit, I understood that somebody is not there without a reason and most of the times the reason is because the top management need they managers there to achieve the strategy. "Behind the truth is always the truth". We need to open our eyes do not fall in "The Matrix". Is not a concern. My point is people have to be aware about the game to play and play it if they want. But not agree with the mascarade.
I'd also like to add that even if people are stick to the organization for good reasons then also Organization as a whole is responsible for the good cause not the manager. I've seen same people working into different organizations behaving differently. The same person is called a good cause in one organization and called a bad cause in another, how can the same person change him/her self so frequently, off course that's not possible. Since, the same person changes the employer that's why that manager is named for good or bad cause as per the organization culture. This is the same fact which you're talking about in the other words.
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Larry Miner Founder and Sr. Project Management of Decision Memory Systems| Decision Memory Systems Bath, Oh, United States
I have a question I've always been interested in and everyone here is touching on it so I thought I'd ask. I've pretty much always believed that culture is made up of, the sum of, all the people in the organization. We are collectively the culture. I've never really believed culture stood separate from those working in it. Your thoughts?
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2 replies by Jaleel . and Peter Rapin
Feb 27, 2020 2:45 PM
Peter Rapin
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This is true however those of higher authority have greater influence on the corporate culture. In autocratic organizations the top dog has the most influence as (s)he makes the rules, enforces the rules, hires the people and retains the people.
Feb 27, 2020 9:55 PM
Jaleel .
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I have a different opinion that culture is not just about people working in an organization but there are other factors as well. Those could be region or location, governance and compliance policies by governments or local authorities and traditions of local people. These do not have a direct influence but definitely have an affect.
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Peter Rapin Subject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent Consultant Ontario, Canada
Feb 27, 2020 1:18 PM
Replying to Larry Miner
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I have a question I've always been interested in and everyone here is touching on it so I thought I'd ask. I've pretty much always believed that culture is made up of, the sum of, all the people in the organization. We are collectively the culture. I've never really believed culture stood separate from those working in it. Your thoughts?
This is true however those of higher authority have greater influence on the corporate culture. In autocratic organizations the top dog has the most influence as (s)he makes the rules, enforces the rules, hires the people and retains the people.
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