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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
I really do not understand why I need to pay an extra fee to PMI anual fee for being part of Discipline Agile Community.
By the way, I use DA from the very begining it was created then I take the practical experience on see it works, at least in my case.
https://disciplinedagileconsortium.org/
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
This is the Mark Lines answer on linkeding: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:l...726482587648%29
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
May 01, 2020 2:50 AM
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Gents

It will be interesting to see how things in this aquisition will shape up.

I heard if you are a paid DA Member, you can renew you certificates annually for free. If this is true, then if they waive the membership fees since they are now part of PMI, they might impose certificates renewal fees. Just thinking loudly.

RK
Rami -

You are correct that the $50 U.S. costs of renewing your DA certification are covered by renewing your membership. You would also need to have gained the necessary hours of professional development, most of which needs to be DA-focused to renew.

Kiron
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May 01, 2020 8:53 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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@Kiron, is not what I understood here : https://disciplinedagileconsortium.org/certify-me#overview
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
May 01, 2020 8:51 AM
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Rami -

You are correct that the $50 U.S. costs of renewing your DA certification are covered by renewing your membership. You would also need to have gained the necessary hours of professional development, most of which needs to be DA-focused to renew.

Kiron
@Kiron, is not what I understood here : https://disciplinedagileconsortium.org/certify-me#overview
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May 01, 2020 9:32 AM
Kiron Bondale
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Sergio -

Most DA members will likely have taken a course to achieve their Disciplined Agilist certification level. If someone chooses NOT to take a workshop, then yes, they would pay $50 U.S. to renew their membership.

Anyone holding a certification (DA after workshop, CDA, CDAP, CDAI, CDAC, DALSM) only has to pay the $50 to renew their certification and then the membership fees are covered.

Kiron
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
May 01, 2020 8:53 AM
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@Kiron, is not what I understood here : https://disciplinedagileconsortium.org/certify-me#overview
Sergio -

Most DA members will likely have taken a course to achieve their Disciplined Agilist certification level. If someone chooses NOT to take a workshop, then yes, they would pay $50 U.S. to renew their membership.

Anyone holding a certification (DA after workshop, CDA, CDAP, CDAI, CDAC, DALSM) only has to pay the $50 to renew their certification and then the membership fees are covered.

Kiron
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
May 01, 2020 6:17 AM
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@Rami, what you heard is not right. You can check here: https://disciplinedagileconsortium.org/certify-me#overview
In fact, as you can see, certification retention force not only an anual payment, professional development too, in some cases specific for DA. But, I have no concern with certification schemas. My concern is about to be a member has a fee, if I understood well.
Sergio

The website is not very clear about so many things even the certification process is confusing and in some cases you will find the actual process a bit different.

For re-certification, yes, you need DA specific PDU’s but for the fees, I believe if you are a member, you don’t pay certification renewal fees.

RK
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May 01, 2020 2:11 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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As I mentioned my point is not about certification. For me the site is clear.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
May 01, 2020 1:48 PM
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Sergio

The website is not very clear about so many things even the certification process is confusing and in some cases you will find the actual process a bit different.

For re-certification, yes, you need DA specific PDU’s but for the fees, I believe if you are a member, you don’t pay certification renewal fees.

RK
As I mentioned my point is not about certification. For me the site is clear.
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May 01, 2020 2:57 PM
Rami Kaibni
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I know what your point is Sergio and trying to address it, maybe indirectly and telling you my opinion:

If you have to pay $50 membership but your certification renewal is free then it makes sense. In the future, and I am speculating here, if DA membership will be included in that of PMI's then maybe they will impose a certification renewal fee like other PMI certifications. We shall wait and see.

RK
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
May 01, 2020 2:11 PM
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As I mentioned my point is not about certification. For me the site is clear.
I know what your point is Sergio and trying to address it, maybe indirectly and telling you my opinion:

If you have to pay $50 membership but your certification renewal is free then it makes sense. In the future, and I am speculating here, if DA membership will be included in that of PMI's then maybe they will impose a certification renewal fee like other PMI certifications. We shall wait and see.

RK
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May 01, 2020 6:09 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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DA is the PMI then no additional fee must be required to be a member. For me, is pure logic. But as you know, my logic could not be the PMI logic for making business (where business is not using in ironic way). With that said, I could understand and obviously accept your point as any other points people consider as a benefit.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
May 01, 2020 2:57 PM
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I know what your point is Sergio and trying to address it, maybe indirectly and telling you my opinion:

If you have to pay $50 membership but your certification renewal is free then it makes sense. In the future, and I am speculating here, if DA membership will be included in that of PMI's then maybe they will impose a certification renewal fee like other PMI certifications. We shall wait and see.

RK
DA is the PMI then no additional fee must be required to be a member. For me, is pure logic. But as you know, my logic could not be the PMI logic for making business (where business is not using in ironic way). With that said, I could understand and obviously accept your point as any other points people consider as a benefit.
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Scott Ambler Consulting Methodologist| Ambysoft Inc. Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Apr 30, 2020 6:00 PM
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Sergio -

This is the model which was in place pre-PMI acquisition. Like all company acquisitions, integration activities take a while to complete, so I'd expect that harmonization of membership benefits, dues and so on will take some time.

Let's see if Scott or Mark provide the "official" response on this...
Yes, what Kiron said is true. We are waiting to combine the DA membership into the PMI membership. This has unfortunately taken a lot longer than we hoped as we have a dependency on the release of a new membership system. When the two memberships are merged we will be providing access to the DA materials to all PMI members.

For now, there is a fair bit of DA material at PMI.org/disciplined-agile and in several hundred blog postings on ProjectManagement.com
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May 01, 2020 7:56 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Thank you very much for your answer. Good to read that.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
May 01, 2020 7:23 PM
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Yes, what Kiron said is true. We are waiting to combine the DA membership into the PMI membership. This has unfortunately taken a lot longer than we hoped as we have a dependency on the release of a new membership system. When the two memberships are merged we will be providing access to the DA materials to all PMI members.

For now, there is a fair bit of DA material at PMI.org/disciplined-agile and in several hundred blog postings on ProjectManagement.com
Thank you very much for your answer. Good to read that.
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