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Rachel M Project Manager| None Richmond, Va, United States
This is my first post! I am brand new to project management but have received my CAPM about a month ago in hopes of switching careers.

A family friend reached out to me and is looking for a PM for their established company of 6 employees. I would be their first PM, and by the sounds of it, they have no project management in place at all. The field is in high profile interactive 3D animation. I was previously a graphic designer, so this field sounds exciting to me.

I think they will hire me, and I think I could help get some organization in place with what I learned from getting my CAPM, but I'm pretty nervous. The future would look like managing 3 projects over the next 6 months.

Any ideas or help for someone in my situation?

Bonus question - Salary Related:
I am entry-level and have a lot to learn, however it seems like a big challenge without much internal support/mentorship. When they ask what I want for salary what would you say is fair? See *Update #2.

*Update - I just got more info and it looks like they want me to hit the ground running. At least 1 big project that will take 6 - 12 months and the first meeting with the client is next Tuesday. They want me to be there. I haven't accepted the job yet. Yikes

*Update #2 - They want me to send an offer this morning. They wouldn't give me a range and said they had "no budget in mind" so I wrote this email below, what do you think?

"Thanks for taking the time to speak with me yesterday, XXXXX!
I have spent some time considering the position and the situation.
You have several barriers to organizational success on which I can help you.

This includes:
• creating a custom management strategy that works for the team
• assessing the current situation and observing the team’s natural response to tasks
• building remote comradery and communication
• nurturing projects and clients for success
• defining projects, budgets, risks, and quality
• monitoring and controlling the progress of projects, teammates, and management style
• creating documents and reports for each task and a lessons learned file
• maximizing all resources for future growth

I have looked over several data resources, and I have found that the market for this position can reach $103,000 a year based on my skillset and the data below.

Here are my sources:
Glassdoor = $85,232 Richmond, VA (75% percentile)
Indeed = $85,762 National Average
PayScale = $80,560 Richmond, VA (75% percentile)
PMI Annual National Salary Survey - See Attachment
Page 302: Annualized Salary by Years Worked in Project Management US = $103,000

However, I am very eager to work with you guys, and I am willing to offer my service for:
35.82 per hour or 74,499 salaried

I also include healthcare costs because it won't be provided and a quick start date of November 24th. I also want to clarify that I am willing to negotiate as I understand each company has its budget. I am open to negotiating pay for expanded PTO, flexible hours, education in the field, or other ideas you might have, even if specified for the future. However, if this number is good with you, I’m on board!

I should mention I am currently speaking with two other companies interested in hiring me, but you’re my top pick, so let me know. I am looking forward to your reply and again, thank you so much for the opportunity!"
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Bob Cunningham West Boylston, Ma, United States
Hi Rachel! In general I would recommend:
1) Listening to hear what their barriers are (resources, clear scope definition, etc.) to getting projects done and then understand what options you have to make projects run better (clearly define the projects, etc.).
2) Make a project schedule - my favorite tool is MS project but there are others. Work with the people executing the projects to determine what the steps are for the projects. of course there is a balance between too much and too little granularity.
3) Communicate! Develop relationships with all of the project team members. Do NOT just sit in your office and send out spreadsheets that say "fill in your progress and send this back"!!! Instead communicate with the team members regularly and ask about their progress (in person if practical), if they will need any information to be able to execute upcoming tasks or if they see any other barriers, and so on. Then be their partner and help lay their path to success, which will also be your success. Develop relationships.
4) Be transparent and set realistic expectations. If you don't understand technical language just tell them - that won't upset them (and they will usually appreciate the opportunity to teach).
5) Understand what is expected of you. Do you have to report on spending to budgets? Is it a schedule-rules-all environment? Make sure you manage and report to expectations.
I'm sure others will have great ideas as well!
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Rachel -

Start simple focusing on small changes which will create the biggest benefits. Once those changes have "set" then introduce something new.

I would also suggest taking a foundational course in PM which has some actual hands-on exercises. A CAPM course focuses on just knowledge to pass the exam whereas what you need is assistance in applying that knowledge to your situation.

I'd also recommend networking in your local PMI chapter and try to find a seasoned PM in your field who is willing to mentor you.

Kiron
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1 reply by Alex Kuczera
Nov 18, 2020 11:41 AM
Alex Kuczera
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Kiron, do you have any suggestions for hands on PM courses?
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Alex Kuczera Project Manager| Stormtec Filtration Canmore, Alberta, Canada
Nov 18, 2020 10:49 AM
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Rachel -

Start simple focusing on small changes which will create the biggest benefits. Once those changes have "set" then introduce something new.

I would also suggest taking a foundational course in PM which has some actual hands-on exercises. A CAPM course focuses on just knowledge to pass the exam whereas what you need is assistance in applying that knowledge to your situation.

I'd also recommend networking in your local PMI chapter and try to find a seasoned PM in your field who is willing to mentor you.

Kiron
Kiron, do you have any suggestions for hands on PM courses?
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Nov 18, 2020 4:36 PM
Kiron Bondale
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Alex -

Sure - the ones we offer :-)

Seriously though, take a look at our offerings but also those from other long-standing training organizations. You want a course that will provide a pragmatic approach to project management incorporating lessons around tailoring and built around a single business case to make it useful.

Kiron
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Keith Novak Tukwila, Wa, United States
Everybody starts somewhere. I even describe my core competency is quickly becoming a temporary expert on things I know nothing about.

To start out, listen far more than you speak. Learn about the work and how it's done. Learn about how they currently manage the work even if it doesn't look like PMI typical project management. To help you learn, figure out who you can trust and is willing to answer your myriad of questions.

I really avoid trying to really change everything until I understand the current state. Try managing the way they're doing things now for a bit as you learn the background, and you'll figure out what doesn't work. Don't understand the schedule? Start to build a better one. Don't understand the flow of work? Draw your own flow diagrams. Can't figure out how information is managed? Work up a simple communication plan with who needs to get what information and how. Can't figure out who does what? Create your own basic WBS and OBS.

If it's an established company, some of what they're doing now probably works fine. Some of it may seem strange and/or inefficient. Don't interfere with what works, but start getting a handle on what doesn't because that's why they're looking for help to organize and manage it.
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1 reply by Rachel M
Nov 18, 2020 11:57 AM
Rachel M
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That sounds good! I have a feeling that slow change is the way to go.
Thank you for the advice!
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Rachel M Project Manager| None Richmond, Va, United States
Thank you, Bob and Kiron! I will definitely lean into your advice.

*Update - I just got more info and it looks like they want me to hit the ground running. At least 1 big project that will take 6 - 12 months and the first meeting with the client is next Tuesday. They want me to be there. I haven't accepted the job yet. Yikes!
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Alex Kuczera Project Manager| Stormtec Filtration Canmore, Alberta, Canada
Rachel congratulations on your new opportunity! I don't have years of experience like many others here, but I have been through your exact same situation. When I was hired on for my current position the company had never had a PM before, two years later and I'm still the only PM in the company managing anywhere from 2-7 projects at a time across multiple provinces in Canada.

Here are some of my initial thoughts and I hope they help:

- Contact your local PMI Chapter and see if you can find a volunteer mentor. Maybe you could even reach out to PM's you find online here and ask :) Your mentor doesn't even need to be in the same industry, it's just great to know that someone has your back.

- Do not be afraid to fail, just make sure to learn from it.

- Go with your gut! The CAPM and PMBOK theory is great on paper, but a lot of the time you have to find the strategies, techniques, and tools that work for YOU. For instance, I tried MANY Project Management tools over the past few years. But time and time again I've fallen back to excel spreadsheets (schedules, checklists) and just plain pen and paper to keep myself and my teams organized.

- Do your very best to understand your companies expectations of you. Figure out exactly WHY they want a PM, what they expect the PM to do, what results and outcomes they expect of the PM, what your responsibilities are, and what you have control over. My job title is PM, but I also manage operations, I'm the coordinator for all of my projects, and I'm heavily involved in bidding and estimating. I'll be honest, I didn't see that coming until I dove into my position and I had to quickly adjust. I wish I had knew more in the beginning to better prepare myself.

- I think this can be said for any profession but of course never stop learning and asking questions, don't be afraid to say "I don't know", and remember that there are always others out there willing to help.

I don't know if these suggestions will help you prepare for day one when it comes, but this is just what came to mind right off the bat for me. If anything else comes to mind I'll make sure to add it to the list.
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1 reply by Rachel M
Nov 18, 2020 12:11 PM
Rachel M
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It's really great to read about your experience. I appreciate you sharing that. I will definitely ask more questions before jumping in. It sounds like I will also be in charge of operations, team management, and budget. Let me know what your first 3 weeks were like.
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Rachel M Project Manager| None Richmond, Va, United States
Nov 18, 2020 11:44 AM
Replying to Keith Novak
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Everybody starts somewhere. I even describe my core competency is quickly becoming a temporary expert on things I know nothing about.

To start out, listen far more than you speak. Learn about the work and how it's done. Learn about how they currently manage the work even if it doesn't look like PMI typical project management. To help you learn, figure out who you can trust and is willing to answer your myriad of questions.

I really avoid trying to really change everything until I understand the current state. Try managing the way they're doing things now for a bit as you learn the background, and you'll figure out what doesn't work. Don't understand the schedule? Start to build a better one. Don't understand the flow of work? Draw your own flow diagrams. Can't figure out how information is managed? Work up a simple communication plan with who needs to get what information and how. Can't figure out who does what? Create your own basic WBS and OBS.

If it's an established company, some of what they're doing now probably works fine. Some of it may seem strange and/or inefficient. Don't interfere with what works, but start getting a handle on what doesn't because that's why they're looking for help to organize and manage it.
That sounds good! I have a feeling that slow change is the way to go.
Thank you for the advice!
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Rachel M Project Manager| None Richmond, Va, United States
Bonus question - Salary Related:
I am entry-level and have a lot to learn, however it seems like a big challenge without much internal support/mentorship. When they ask what I want for salary what would you say is fair?
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1 reply by Alex Kuczera
Nov 18, 2020 5:05 PM
Alex Kuczera
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Do your research on what local salaries are offered. As well check the PMI salary survey data online at pmi.org.

From your other comments it sounds like you have the job already, I'd personally take advantage of this and ask for what you want salary wise! You're already at an advantage :)
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Rachel M Project Manager| None Richmond, Va, United States
Nov 18, 2020 11:57 AM
Replying to Alex Kuczera
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Rachel congratulations on your new opportunity! I don't have years of experience like many others here, but I have been through your exact same situation. When I was hired on for my current position the company had never had a PM before, two years later and I'm still the only PM in the company managing anywhere from 2-7 projects at a time across multiple provinces in Canada.

Here are some of my initial thoughts and I hope they help:

- Contact your local PMI Chapter and see if you can find a volunteer mentor. Maybe you could even reach out to PM's you find online here and ask :) Your mentor doesn't even need to be in the same industry, it's just great to know that someone has your back.

- Do not be afraid to fail, just make sure to learn from it.

- Go with your gut! The CAPM and PMBOK theory is great on paper, but a lot of the time you have to find the strategies, techniques, and tools that work for YOU. For instance, I tried MANY Project Management tools over the past few years. But time and time again I've fallen back to excel spreadsheets (schedules, checklists) and just plain pen and paper to keep myself and my teams organized.

- Do your very best to understand your companies expectations of you. Figure out exactly WHY they want a PM, what they expect the PM to do, what results and outcomes they expect of the PM, what your responsibilities are, and what you have control over. My job title is PM, but I also manage operations, I'm the coordinator for all of my projects, and I'm heavily involved in bidding and estimating. I'll be honest, I didn't see that coming until I dove into my position and I had to quickly adjust. I wish I had knew more in the beginning to better prepare myself.

- I think this can be said for any profession but of course never stop learning and asking questions, don't be afraid to say "I don't know", and remember that there are always others out there willing to help.

I don't know if these suggestions will help you prepare for day one when it comes, but this is just what came to mind right off the bat for me. If anything else comes to mind I'll make sure to add it to the list.
It's really great to read about your experience. I appreciate you sharing that. I will definitely ask more questions before jumping in. It sounds like I will also be in charge of operations, team management, and budget. Let me know what your first 3 weeks were like.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Nov 18, 2020 11:41 AM
Replying to Alex Kuczera
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Kiron, do you have any suggestions for hands on PM courses?
Alex -

Sure - the ones we offer :-)

Seriously though, take a look at our offerings but also those from other long-standing training organizations. You want a course that will provide a pragmatic approach to project management incorporating lessons around tailoring and built around a single business case to make it useful.

Kiron
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1 reply by Alex Kuczera
Nov 18, 2020 5:02 PM
Alex Kuczera
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I'll definitely take a look!
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