Ken BaineyFormer Chief Information Officer/IT Project Portfolio Management Executive | Government of Alberta-Ministry of Infrastructure/TransportationEdmonton, Alberta, Canada
Does anyone have a mapping of Principles with Performance Domains? or are these abstract concepts so abstract that they do not need any alignment with the new Models, Methods and Artifacts?.Methods,
I agree with the need to emphasize value of Projects relative to outcomes - not knew, but the 12 Principles and 8 Performance Domains without any clearly articulated alignment to methods, models and artifacts will create more confusion rather than clarifications. Saving Changes...
As part of the first review team, I do recall that in the MMA section of the draft document, there was a mapping table which needed to be completed from the domains to different MMAs.
Principles operate at a different level as they normally apply across all domains - think of them as the guardrails within which the domains and MMAs can be considered. As such, I wouldn't expect to see mapping there.
As I recall, there were sub-sections in the Principles and Domains sections that covered the points of interaction between different principles and the points of interactions between the different domains.
The caveat here is that this is based on the late 2019 preliminary content - it may have morphed significantly since then, so we'll all need to be patient and wait for the release later on this year.
Kiron
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Feb 03, 2021 11:34 AM
Ken Bainey
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Thanks Kiron for the response..However, the logic is flawed and will cause lots of confusion, unless some of the advisors recognized this major flawed logic, and correct by redefining the Principles and the Performance Domains. Performance Domains are means of representing measurements for outcomes, outputs, Artifacts, Principles represents stated goals, which must be measured, otherwise useless or illusionary.
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Dear Ken Interesting your question Ee will all need to be patient and wait for these points to be clarified, I believe this year. Saving Changes...
Ken BaineyFormer Chief Information Officer/IT Project Portfolio Management Executive | Government of Alberta-Ministry of Infrastructure/TransportationEdmonton, Alberta, Canada
Feb 03, 2021 8:19 AM
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Ken -
As part of the first review team, I do recall that in the MMA section of the draft document, there was a mapping table which needed to be completed from the domains to different MMAs.
Principles operate at a different level as they normally apply across all domains - think of them as the guardrails within which the domains and MMAs can be considered. As such, I wouldn't expect to see mapping there.
As I recall, there were sub-sections in the Principles and Domains sections that covered the points of interaction between different principles and the points of interactions between the different domains.
The caveat here is that this is based on the late 2019 preliminary content - it may have morphed significantly since then, so we'll all need to be patient and wait for the release later on this year.
Kiron
Thanks Kiron for the response..However, the logic is flawed and will cause lots of confusion, unless some of the advisors recognized this major flawed logic, and correct by redefining the Principles and the Performance Domains. Performance Domains are means of representing measurements for outcomes, outputs, Artifacts, Principles represents stated goals, which must be measured, otherwise useless or illusionary.
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Feb 03, 2021 1:40 PM
Kiron Bondale
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Principles aren't goals, they are a foundation for a system of beliefs and behaviors.
As such, I'd like to better understand your concerns as to why they aren't mapped to specific domains or MMAs? I feel that the complexity of such a mapping would negate any possible benefits.
Thanks Kiron for the response..However, the logic is flawed and will cause lots of confusion, unless some of the advisors recognized this major flawed logic, and correct by redefining the Principles and the Performance Domains. Performance Domains are means of representing measurements for outcomes, outputs, Artifacts, Principles represents stated goals, which must be measured, otherwise useless or illusionary.
Principles aren't goals, they are a foundation for a system of beliefs and behaviors.
As such, I'd like to better understand your concerns as to why they aren't mapped to specific domains or MMAs? I feel that the complexity of such a mapping would negate any possible benefits.
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Ken BaineyFormer Chief Information Officer/IT Project Portfolio Management Executive | Government of Alberta-Ministry of Infrastructure/TransportationEdmonton, Alberta, Canada
Kiron
Understand your political correctness response- The truth of the matter is : If Principles are not Goals or Vision statement -what is it ?a set of illusionary constructs without any purpose. I don't buy into this fuzzy logic. Project Management Principles should represent a a purpose statement that should represent outcomes. These PMP advisors seem to be confusing Principles, MMA and Performance Domains. PMs are buying into this flawed logic, without questioning the practicality and reasonability. Saving Changes...
Ken BaineyFormer Chief Information Officer/IT Project Portfolio Management Executive | Government of Alberta-Ministry of Infrastructure/TransportationEdmonton, Alberta, Canada
Kiron
I can understand the benefits of having the PMP professional Designation. What is the benefits of PMBOK7 ? except that it has just complicated the Project Management processes. Any recognizably Framework or Guide must have a sound logical construct among the major contents to be clear, concise and comprehensible, PMBOKV7 seems to be lacking these fundamental logical framework-Hope they address these essential deficiencies before releasing this to the public-a recipe for disaster. Saving Changes...
Anyone that knows me well would argue that political correctness is NOT something I worry too much about!
Don't confuse the one-word titles for the principles with their tag lines. For example, Think Holistically is elaborated as "Recognize, evaluate, and respond to the dynamic circumstances within and surrounding the project delivery system as the systems interact and react with each other."
Principles are supposed to be applicable in all contexts which implies that while they might reflect targets, the nature of those targets and how we achieve them needs to change to reflect different contexts.
I would agree that PMI made a bold decision in moving away from the increasingly process-centric framework nature of the Guide and this has resulted in polarization of long time members. I see this as a positive shift since supporting framework details are still going to be available in platforms such as Standards Plus. Others do not, and there are a number of discussion threads where such concerns have been raised.
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Ken BaineyFormer Chief Information Officer/IT Project Portfolio Management Executive | Government of Alberta-Ministry of Infrastructure/TransportationEdmonton, Alberta, Canada
Interesting reading to your responses- Definitely, differences in thinking preferences in this Project Management area. What i am suggesting has absolutely nothing relative to process-centric model. Most of my PM professional friends in the academic, private and public industries share similar concerns and have suggested similar changes to PMI.
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Ken BaineyFormer Chief Information Officer/IT Project Portfolio Management Executive | Government of Alberta-Ministry of Infrastructure/TransportationEdmonton, Alberta, Canada
Here is a link that shows a high-level alignment of Principles with Performance Domains and MMAs. A more detailed view can be easily derived by the project manager in managing his/her projects, depending on the complexities. This is the high-level model that represents PMBOKv7. Saving Changes...
