Hello I am not understanding the definition of MVP (Minimum Viable Product) according to should be used for PMI.
Maybe I am wrong, but I see these two definition not aligned: - Citizen Development book, pag. 17 "A version of the product with just enough features to satisfy early customers and provide feedback for future development" - Choose your wow book, pag. 95 "the sole purpose (of MVPs) is to test out a hypothesis. It is not the real thing, nor is it meant to be"
What for CD is an MVP to me in DA looks like an MMR (Minimum Marketable Release).
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Jorge EscotoDirector of PM/PMO| CET Professionals ServicesSan Pedro Sula, Cortes, Honduras
You will hardly find the same definition in different publications, but somehow they are similar. What satisfies an early user to get feedback is not "the real thing". As an example, in a recent development, I delivered a functioning product, but it had no alerts. So with the feedback, I created the alerts and that was the real thing. Saving Changes...
MVP can be the combination of the two definitions you described. In this technique, the product is developed with sufficient features to satisfy early users, and is not the real final thing. The final, complete set of features is only designed and developed after considering feedback from the product's initial users. Saving Changes...
You are correct - the MVP term has been used and abused for years. The DA definition is closer to what Eric Ries wrote about in the Lean Startup which is getting the maximum validated learning about a hypothesis with the minimum investment or cost.
When I teach my agile courses, I always prefer that definition as anything which is "mass marketable" better falls under MMR, MBI (as per DA Flex) or MOVE (as per Tameflow).
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Fabio
There is a fine line between both and I've seen different bodies refer to each differently.
In my opinion, Citizen Developer definition is more close to Minimal Marketable Product (MMP) than MVP as we normally use MVP's to test ideas and get feedback.
I am also curious to see what term will be use in the upcoming PMBoK R7.
For sure the terms should converge in the PMI universe.
Thanks again
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Mar 18, 2021 7:48 AM
Kiron Bondale
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Unfortunately, PMI is still working through consistency issues when it comes to MVP. On the DA/Flex side of courseware, they are following the Eric Ries interpretation. On the PMI PMP prep courseware, it is following the MMR interpretation. So it is quite possible that the PMBOK Guide might go with that...
I am also curious to see what term will be use in the upcoming PMBoK R7.
For sure the terms should converge in the PMI universe.
Thanks again
Unfortunately, PMI is still working through consistency issues when it comes to MVP. On the DA/Flex side of courseware, they are following the Eric Ries interpretation. On the PMI PMP prep courseware, it is following the MMR interpretation. So it is quite possible that the PMBOK Guide might go with that...
Kiron
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1 reply by Wade Harshman
Mar 18, 2021 11:22 AM
Wade Harshman
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I think it's fair to say that PMI is still working through some issues when it comes to agility, in general. But to be fair, so are agilists. As agile ways of working continue to evolve, PMI will probably always be one major publication behind the curve. I'm not convinced that this is necessarily a problem. The value that project managers bring to organizations is not being current on hip trends.
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Wade HarshmanScrum Master| GDITIndianapolis, In, United States
Mar 18, 2021 7:48 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Unfortunately, PMI is still working through consistency issues when it comes to MVP. On the DA/Flex side of courseware, they are following the Eric Ries interpretation. On the PMI PMP prep courseware, it is following the MMR interpretation. So it is quite possible that the PMBOK Guide might go with that...
Kiron
I think it's fair to say that PMI is still working through some issues when it comes to agility, in general. But to be fair, so are agilists. As agile ways of working continue to evolve, PMI will probably always be one major publication behind the curve. I'm not convinced that this is necessarily a problem. The value that project managers bring to organizations is not being current on hip trends. Saving Changes...
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