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Al Shalloway Founder and CEO| Success Engineering Edmonds, Wa, United States
I would love to chat with folks who want to learn more about Agile. The PMI acquired Disciplined Agile and Net Objectives almost two years ago to leapfrog the field and provide the best Agile offerings.

We are very management friendly and see an opportunity to help PMI members, especially PMPs in how they fit into the Agile space.

Please let me know if you have questions about Agile or Disciplined Agile. I'm here to help.
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Thomas Walenta Global Project Economy Expert Hackenheim, Germany
What does disciplined mean in DA?
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Al Shalloway Founder and CEO| Success Engineering Edmonds, Wa, United States
Thanks for the question.

I was not there when the name was chosen but I'll tell you how I think about it. For years Agile has been more of a "way of being" to many people rather than "what you do." I do believe the human aspect of knowledge work is critical - so "being" is important. But defining an approach based on being is a slippery slope. It becomes too easy to just apply the "no true Scotsman" argument in any discussion.

When "being" is in question, I have always preferred to ask "what does a person 'being' Agile look like?" Unfortunately, if one applies this to the Agile community you find that many of the actions are far from Agile. They include dogmatism (Defending Old Glorified Methods in Agile), cargo cult, idolization of creators of methods, ad hominem attacks on people who question the underlying foundations of an approach, and more.

DA is committed to not behaving this way but to be consistent with the intention of Agile - "We are uncovering better ways of developing software by doing it and helping others do it." With the exception that instead of just developing software our domain is now enabling businesses to add value to their customers.

The "discipline" in Disciplined Agile incorporates the belief that, one, there is a discipline of knowledge to use. In our case, this has evolved to include theories of flow, Lean and Theory of Constraints as well as an understanding of organizational development and human behavior. We use this "discipline" in a pragmatic manner. We're not dogmatic about any particular practice as no practice is universal. So in addition to having a discipline, we believe in acting in a disciplined manner. That is, we always work in a pragmatic manner attending to the science and experience we, and others, have accumulated. This enables DA to be effective now and continue to evolve.

Hope this helps, and thanks again for asking.
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2 replies by Denathayalan Ramasamy and Rami Kaibni
May 30, 2021 1:30 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Interesting answer Al, thank you.
Feb 23, 2022 9:53 PM
Denathayalan Ramasamy
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Answer is more detailed and has a good perception of understanding.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
May 30, 2021 10:13 AM
Replying to Al Shalloway
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Thanks for the question.

I was not there when the name was chosen but I'll tell you how I think about it. For years Agile has been more of a "way of being" to many people rather than "what you do." I do believe the human aspect of knowledge work is critical - so "being" is important. But defining an approach based on being is a slippery slope. It becomes too easy to just apply the "no true Scotsman" argument in any discussion.

When "being" is in question, I have always preferred to ask "what does a person 'being' Agile look like?" Unfortunately, if one applies this to the Agile community you find that many of the actions are far from Agile. They include dogmatism (Defending Old Glorified Methods in Agile), cargo cult, idolization of creators of methods, ad hominem attacks on people who question the underlying foundations of an approach, and more.

DA is committed to not behaving this way but to be consistent with the intention of Agile - "We are uncovering better ways of developing software by doing it and helping others do it." With the exception that instead of just developing software our domain is now enabling businesses to add value to their customers.

The "discipline" in Disciplined Agile incorporates the belief that, one, there is a discipline of knowledge to use. In our case, this has evolved to include theories of flow, Lean and Theory of Constraints as well as an understanding of organizational development and human behavior. We use this "discipline" in a pragmatic manner. We're not dogmatic about any particular practice as no practice is universal. So in addition to having a discipline, we believe in acting in a disciplined manner. That is, we always work in a pragmatic manner attending to the science and experience we, and others, have accumulated. This enables DA to be effective now and continue to evolve.

Hope this helps, and thanks again for asking.
Interesting answer Al, thank you.
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Thomas Walenta Global Project Economy Expert Hackenheim, Germany
Thanks for the elaborated and great answer
Al.

You refer to discipline as knowledge and behavior.

For me the behavior aspect is important and a positive trait, supporting achievements and success.

Regarding the knowledge pool, I feel a lack if fairness and honesty. Most practices label agile have been invented elsewhere and the IP is not correctly attributed in most agile literature. Take lean, Kanban, iterations, trial & error, even servant leadership.

Thomas
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1 reply by Al Shalloway
May 30, 2021 2:14 PM
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I agree. It's been very frustrating to me. Many agilists think they are inventing things that have been around for decades. Lack of attribution is rampant - but you won't find it from me - if you do please let me know.

Most Agile approaches are based on the knowledge and experience of one or two experts (e.g., Scrum, SAFe, LeSS, Scrum@scale, Nexus, Kanban Method). DA is based on several people who use the partnership of creating ideas to get outside of our own cognitive bias.
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Al Shalloway Founder and CEO| Success Engineering Edmonds, Wa, United States
May 30, 2021 1:45 PM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Thanks for the elaborated and great answer
Al.

You refer to discipline as knowledge and behavior.

For me the behavior aspect is important and a positive trait, supporting achievements and success.

Regarding the knowledge pool, I feel a lack if fairness and honesty. Most practices label agile have been invented elsewhere and the IP is not correctly attributed in most agile literature. Take lean, Kanban, iterations, trial & error, even servant leadership.

Thomas
I agree. It's been very frustrating to me. Many agilists think they are inventing things that have been around for decades. Lack of attribution is rampant - but you won't find it from me - if you do please let me know.

Most Agile approaches are based on the knowledge and experience of one or two experts (e.g., Scrum, SAFe, LeSS, Scrum@scale, Nexus, Kanban Method). DA is based on several people who use the partnership of creating ideas to get outside of our own cognitive bias.
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Teff Ayral Program Manager| Future State Alameda, Ca, United States
I would like to learn more about how to assess teams initially and over time on their journey to convert from waterfall to agile? What would strategies be? What tools could be used?
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ABDELFATTAH SAMIR BASYOUNI Senior Electrical & Automation Specialist| Dorsch Holding GmbH Shr, Egypt
When are contracts written in agile projects?
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Michael Coleman Memphis, Tn, United States
Hello Al,
My question to the prompt is one that concerns the knowledge domains of interest conferred upon in the Disciplined Agile methodology.
Are there specific knowledge domains that are more aligned with Disciplined Agile compared to some other PM approaches? How do these domains of knowledge inform the differences in the approaches?
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1 reply by Al Shalloway
Oct 22, 2021 9:34 PM
Al Shalloway
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Right now DA is a bit more appropriate for IT but that's only because of the examples in it. The theory underneath it works well everywhere and I know they are creating more examples as time goes on.
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Emily Brewer-Miceli Project Manager (PMP)| UK Intellectual Property Office Cardiff, Cardiff, United Kingdom
I've recently transitioned my IT delivery team from Scrum to Kanban. How do you handle stories with dependencies - like an approval from another department or security access? Do you have an On Hold column, an On Hold swimlane or leave it in Doing to collect dust and days of cycle time? We use Azure DevOps, which isn't the most powerful Kanban tool, unfortunately!
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Al Shalloway Founder and CEO| Success Engineering Edmonds, Wa, United States
Emily,
The best way to handle dependencies is to use MBIs
( https://www.pmi.org/disciplined-agile/da-f...ness-increments ) so you know all the pieces involved and start them close to each other. But you still have the question of what do you do when a dependency blocks some work.

I've found it useful to put a blocked tag on the sticky. You can also move the work back into the queue column prior to the column that holds the work.
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1 reply by Courtenay Davis
Jan 18, 2022 3:08 PM
Courtenay Davis
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Thanks for the info in the thread, Al, and the link to MBIs.
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