Chi Keung TangnoneCentral & Western District, Hk, Hong Kong
Dear PMI professionals
I want to find out how many Units which managed to complete projects using pmbok guide framework.
I had emailed to pmi and their staff simply invited to research with their search engines. I regarded that PMI did not have this research findings.
Secondly, I drafted several letters to ask Hong Kong government, the Architectural Services Department. Because I live in HK. Again, their Professional and Clerical staff said no.
I had checked on google, simply only NIH had used per pmbok guide 5. And some templates are available. Then almost no other pmbok guide templates are available.
PMI Standard plus also currently does not contain full set of examples / templates. I need to ask: what are we doing everyday?
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
I do not know how many. What I can say is from 1996 up to date, including my actual work place, I was hire to create all related to portfolio/program/project management in companies that belongs to several countries around the world and different size and different domains including it government. All that based on PMI´s Guides, not only the PMBOK. And that was using different life cycles, different methods, different approaches. Just to say that I did not forget other appoaches like the PMI and I used some of them if applies, for example PRINCE2, to complete something which is not inside the PMI´s guides.
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1 reply by Chi Keung Tang
Oct 19, 2021 9:29 AM
Chi Keung Tang
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Pmbok guides use so many documents to run a project. I sometimes doubt how many of us really use them? I know that HK government likes to use lots of folders, files to manage the city. As a result, lots of policies are not down to earth. Bureaucrat governs documents instead of the city.
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Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Chi Keung,
to my knowledge many companies and organizations used PMBoK Guide as input to develop their own PM methodology. This work is done often by the PMO and also templates are developed by PMOs. Nobody would use the PMBoK Guide in its totality though.
Working for IBM, we used WWPMM (worldwide PM methodology) which was based on PMBoK but also entertained other structures and artifacts. I know that HP/EDS used it and in Germany T-Systems. Even recently, if you look at the European Commissions PM2 standard, you can identify many concepts used in PMBoK before. And ISO 21500 was based mainly on the PMBoK Guide ed5 process groups.
Indeed, the success of PMI from 2000 (in terms of global relevance) on is sometimes attributed to the global standardizations by MNCs like IBM in project management.
On the other hand, PMBoK Guide updates incorporate changes of uses in the market place over the years and PMBoK Guide had the target to reflect good practices used by companies. So it is a hen and egg situation.
Thomas
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1 reply by Chi Keung Tang
Oct 19, 2021 9:24 AM
Chi Keung Tang
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Thx Thomas for this extensive update. I thought pmbok guide frameworks were not widely practiced. Now, I feel more secure and solid.
A lot depends on how you define "use the framework". As the PMBOK framework is aligned with other PM frameworks published by other associations and standards bodies, almost any disciplined approach to delivering a project might be considered to use the framework.
So then it comes down to what specific litmus tests we look for.
Is it specific methods or artifacts?
Is it role definitions?
That is likely why you'd have difficulty in tracking down such research easily, but it does create a great opportunity for you to construct a survey and issue it to a statistically representative sample of your target industry.
Kiron
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1 reply by Chi Keung Tang
Oct 19, 2021 9:18 AM
Chi Keung Tang
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The 49 processes, the 34 project documents, the 18 project mgt plans, as printed on page 25 of pmbok guide 6.
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Chi Keung TangnoneCentral & Western District, Hk, Hong Kong
Oct 19, 2021 8:41 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Chi Keung -
A lot depends on how you define "use the framework". As the PMBOK framework is aligned with other PM frameworks published by other associations and standards bodies, almost any disciplined approach to delivering a project might be considered to use the framework.
So then it comes down to what specific litmus tests we look for.
Is it specific methods or artifacts?
Is it role definitions?
That is likely why you'd have difficulty in tracking down such research easily, but it does create a great opportunity for you to construct a survey and issue it to a statistically representative sample of your target industry.
Kiron
The 49 processes, the 34 project documents, the 18 project mgt plans, as printed on page 25 of pmbok guide 6.
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Oct 19, 2021 9:59 AM
Kiron Bondale
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I'd say that percentage would be extremely low! Remember that the framework is the basis for tailoring one's PM approach and rarely would a project need to use each and every artifact which is covered.
Kiron
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Chi Keung TangnoneCentral & Western District, Hk, Hong Kong
Oct 19, 2021 7:52 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Chi Keung,
to my knowledge many companies and organizations used PMBoK Guide as input to develop their own PM methodology. This work is done often by the PMO and also templates are developed by PMOs. Nobody would use the PMBoK Guide in its totality though.
Working for IBM, we used WWPMM (worldwide PM methodology) which was based on PMBoK but also entertained other structures and artifacts. I know that HP/EDS used it and in Germany T-Systems. Even recently, if you look at the European Commissions PM2 standard, you can identify many concepts used in PMBoK before. And ISO 21500 was based mainly on the PMBoK Guide ed5 process groups.
Indeed, the success of PMI from 2000 (in terms of global relevance) on is sometimes attributed to the global standardizations by MNCs like IBM in project management.
On the other hand, PMBoK Guide updates incorporate changes of uses in the market place over the years and PMBoK Guide had the target to reflect good practices used by companies. So it is a hen and egg situation.
Thomas
Thx Thomas for this extensive update. I thought pmbok guide frameworks were not widely practiced. Now, I feel more secure and solid. Saving Changes...
Chi Keung TangnoneCentral & Western District, Hk, Hong Kong
Oct 19, 2021 6:32 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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I do not know how many. What I can say is from 1996 up to date, including my actual work place, I was hire to create all related to portfolio/program/project management in companies that belongs to several countries around the world and different size and different domains including it government. All that based on PMI´s Guides, not only the PMBOK. And that was using different life cycles, different methods, different approaches. Just to say that I did not forget other appoaches like the PMI and I used some of them if applies, for example PRINCE2, to complete something which is not inside the PMI´s guides.
Pmbok guides use so many documents to run a project. I sometimes doubt how many of us really use them? I know that HK government likes to use lots of folders, files to manage the city. As a result, lots of policies are not down to earth. Bureaucrat governs documents instead of the city.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Oct 20, 2021 9:55 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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All you can see inside the PMBOK Guide is just a guide and documents, including it proposed content, is a proposal not something that has to be used. What knowledge areas, process, documents to use depends on the governance model you need to put in place. And to decide this an enterprise analysis/needs analysis has to be done. This tasks belongs to business analysis and the names varies if you take the PMI or the IIBA guide to understand how to do that.
The 49 processes, the 34 project documents, the 18 project mgt plans, as printed on page 25 of pmbok guide 6.
I'd say that percentage would be extremely low! Remember that the framework is the basis for tailoring one's PM approach and rarely would a project need to use each and every artifact which is covered.
Kiron Saving Changes...
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Chi Keung,
a PMO could define different levels of project importance and apply the processes and documents as mandatory for higher levels only. Making most of them optional for lower levels.
In my last PMO, we used 100 person days as a threshold for mandatory usage of all artifacts. Even then, some processes like procurement might not be applicable to even important projects.
We used a British governance principle: comply or explain, as there might be good reasons not to use a process. Saving Changes...
The PMBoK is a body of knowledge, so it is more like an encyclopedia than a roadmap. It tries to include all situations but critical in using it is tailoring all that knowledge down to what you need in a given situation. With the exception of extremely bureaucratic government contracts, the tailored solution is always a lot smaller than the "use everything in the book" solution
The knowledge isn't unique to PMI. For example the Systems Engineering Body of Knowledge (SEBOK) includes a lot of the same things. The IEEE standards do as well. What I have learned is that many companies use significant amount of content found in the PMBOK, although they have tailored them to their own business, and often change the terminology to their own as well. Saving Changes...
Chi Keung TangnoneCentral & Western District, Hk, Hong Kong
Thx Keith. Tailoring is Indeed something i missed. Thx for your extensive reply. Eye opening! Saving Changes...
