Davronjon OkhunjonovTechnical Advisor| Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)Phnom Penh, Cambodia
I don't understand why PMI calls "Standards, policies, and rules" as "Plan ......". For example, you have "Plan quality management" and "Quality management plan". The second one is clear, but what about the first....
PMP, Scrum is about making things simple, understandable, easy... I am confused :) Why is not possible just to say: 8.1 Standards, policies, and rules for quality management. Saving Changes...
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Md RahmanProject Manager| The Australian Trade and Investment Commission (Austrade)Sydney, Nsw, Australia
Great point!! In my understanding, PMI use the verb before to deliver its advisory role while the second one is the result of advise. For example, we always use plan at last in naming artefacts such as project/program management plan, stakeholder management plan, and so on. Saving Changes...
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Davronjon
not sure I get your question right.
'plan quality management' describes an activity, a process while 'QM plan' describes a deliverable, an output from the activity or process. Both need to be explained.
Standards, policies and rules are indeed by themselves deliverables or artefacts, they describe how the activity or process should be executed. By doing 'plan quality management' you take those deliverables as one input and create the project specific 'QM plan'. Saving Changes...
I agree with Thomas. "Plan quality" is an activity whereas "Quality plan" is a deliverable. Saving Changes...
Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Don't forget: planning is more important than the plan. Saving Changes...
Davronjon OkhunjonovTechnical Advisor| Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)Phnom Penh, Cambodia
Thanks a lot, people! I just realized that my problem is the word "management".
Quality planning, assurance, and control (2004) was easier to understand than Plan quality management, manage and control quality. Still, I think that PMI should remove the word "management" from "Plan quality management" as you plan not only its management but also maintaining, improving, and controlling. The same with all other planning process items. "Plan procurement" is easier to understand than "Plan procurement management". If I had a chance to write a proposal to PMI, I would ask them to remove the word "management" in the planning process. It will ease life for many people like me :)
I had a problem with mixing "Plan quality management" and "Quality management plan" during practice questions. Broke my head a little bit and now things are more clear. Need some time to understand and get accustomed to "plan....management", "...... updates".
Thank you for your time and feedback! I am glad to have the opportunity to talk with professionals like you.
Have a nice day all!
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1 reply by Stéphane Parent
Jun 06, 2022 5:11 PM
Stéphane Parent
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Planning quality or procurement is about planning the what. (We need to procure so many application servers...)
Planning quality management or procurement management is about planning the how. (We will do an RFP to choose from application server suppliers..)
Your confusion is very understandable. The English language is very good at creating completely different meanings by changing the word order.
The term "plan quality management" is meant to express exactly what you said including maintaining, improving, and controlling. Those are all part of managing, just like "project management" includes all those feedback and control activities as well.
This terminology is consistent across many domains and industry standards, and intended to mean that planning XYZ management is a group of processes that may occur from the beginning through the closure of a project.
I think change vs. change management is a simpler example: If I were to say "plan change", that would typically be understood as planning a specific change to a project. If I were to say "plan change management", that includes not only discrete changes, but instead the entire set of processes that control changes including the change boards, business management systems, tracking and status activities, and everything else that is involved from change concept through incorporation.
Hopefully that helps make it a bit more clear. Saving Changes...
Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Jun 06, 2022 10:57 AM
Replying to Davronjon Okhunjonov
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Thanks a lot, people! I just realized that my problem is the word "management".
Quality planning, assurance, and control (2004) was easier to understand than Plan quality management, manage and control quality. Still, I think that PMI should remove the word "management" from "Plan quality management" as you plan not only its management but also maintaining, improving, and controlling. The same with all other planning process items. "Plan procurement" is easier to understand than "Plan procurement management". If I had a chance to write a proposal to PMI, I would ask them to remove the word "management" in the planning process. It will ease life for many people like me :)
I had a problem with mixing "Plan quality management" and "Quality management plan" during practice questions. Broke my head a little bit and now things are more clear. Need some time to understand and get accustomed to "plan....management", "...... updates".
Thank you for your time and feedback! I am glad to have the opportunity to talk with professionals like you.
Have a nice day all!
Planning quality or procurement is about planning the what. (We need to procure so many application servers...)
Planning quality management or procurement management is about planning the how. (We will do an RFP to choose from application server suppliers..) Saving Changes...
Davronjon OkhunjonovTechnical Advisor| Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)Phnom Penh, Cambodia
Roger that! It is more clear now :) Thanks a lot Keith and Stephane for explanation. Saving Changes...
