Stephen RobinProject Analyst Trainee| Ministry of Works and TransportArima, Ari, Trinidad and Tobago
The common and accepted notion is that project management is still and will continue to evolve as time passes. From it being a practice to a full fledge profession and so on. With the many currents and future trends taking place and the field being highly receptive to change.
This begs the question, will there be an endpoint where the evolution stops and things become stabilized? Or will it continue to be a rolling wave as we see now?
Peter RapinSubject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent ConsultantOntario, Canada
Aug 09, 2022 6:34 AM
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I was under the school of thought that project management is an original practice rather than derived from something else. Especially with risk management being a knowledge area. So how did project management evolve from risk management and how will it evolve back? As this sounds like retrogression.
Project Management is a sub-set of Management. A recognized definition of Management is an effort to seek an organizational goal. We seek to organize in order to get things done effectively: that is - enhance the benefits and reduce risks associated with applying effort. Thus management is a risk mitigating measure.
Eating, sleeping and staying alive are original practices - not management.
Management has evolved to more effectively achieve these original practices from organizing hunting parties, sowing and reaping crops, providing shelter and warding off threats. As the human population grew and society became more complex man invented the concept of projects and applied management skills to those projects. Thus we now have project management.
Many thought that operating equipment including driving cars was going to be 'forever'. However we now see that IT can do a pretty good job piloting equipment - in some cases better than humans. Once project management is a collection of processes and checklists than I can see the day that IT (AI) can provide 97% of project management functions, maybe even 100%.
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I'm a physician-scientist en a hospital setting. I can assure that PM will continue to evolve. Based on my experience with several software changes we go through on le clinical side. When Covid-19 plagued le planet, hospitals around le globe had to adopt quickly. Conversly, our administration had to adoptable as well. Saving Changes...
Peter RapinSubject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent ConsultantOntario, Canada
Aug 04, 2022 8:06 AM
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Thought-provoking points Peter. In the case of developing to the point where there is a formula and checklist for every eventuality sounds feasible on paper until applied to real life. From my perspective, the reality is far too complex to account for every factor and in more circumstances, than you think, there are no solutions, only trade-offs. Although this won't stop people from trying as I see this situation where it is aiming for the stars and fall on the treetops type scenario.
I share the sentiment of the back-to-basics. I believe the tools, techniques, and methodologies have become more complicated but the fundamentals haven't changed. I firmly believe those who excel at the fundamentals of project management would be more effective rather than those who find the need to grab something from the project management toolbox for every course of action. The tools are meant to assist in performance rather than replace it.
Furthermore, I am pretty open to the conversation of the prospect of regression in humanity. I say will are still evolving but what changes there would be regress in some areas. Look at the fact that many are incapable of functioning without their mobile device or the studies that showed the average attention span has decreased over the years. Moreover how many can survive in the wild like our ancestors? So in many cases, we win and lose.
At the same time, project management is expected to continuously evolve and grow without regression. This brings the train of thought, do you think there are any real threats to project management's evolution?
Homo Habilis, the first hominid species to make stone tools would be ill equipped to comment on the limitations or threats to the evolution of Homo Sapiens. How can we, Homo Sapiens, expect to have any expertise on the limitations of our future evolved beings let alone what management concepts and tools they may employ? Saving Changes...
An excellent take on the subject matter Aaron. There has been an explosion in new tools, techniques, and methodologies, which will continue to happen as the world changes. When people speak of evolution we assume a dramatic shift that is completely unrecognizable. The thing is, does evolution have to be completely unrecognizable from what was in the past? There will be permanent changes but some aspects will never change with time (Eg Triple constraint). Some distinct traits will always be there and change for the sake of change can lead to complications.
Similarly, the evolution of apes to modern-day humans supposedly took millions of years. It could take a couple more decades before we see a remolding of the core of project management and its expansion.
I do agree with the point on the focus on adaptation as in any project, change is inevitable so project managers will adjust to suit. This is reflected in many tools and techniques in the practice that is made to accommodate internal and external changes.
Although I believe there is duality in the mix as I see two forms. The first being adaptive and the second being evolutionary.
Adaptive- the primary driver of project management and is constant
Evolutionary- extremely slow and incremental in nature
Therefore the time it takes project management to adapt versus the time it would take to evolve differs greatly. It is unlikely it will adapt and evolve at the same rate and frequency due to its nature. So want can be presented as evolution is actually adaptation and vice versa.
What do you think?
Stephen wrote: "does evolution have to be completely unrecognizable from what was in the past?"
Isn't that the definition of evolution? If project management is evolving, it's becoming something else, not just a refactored approach to produce a unique product or service.
Are there any project management approaches, currently in use, that aren't refactorings of earlier approaches combined with more modern tools? Disciplined Agile, SAFe, Scrum, etc... - variations on a theme that have been adapted to address certain perceived deficiencies of earlier approaches (often because somebody was selling something).
Maybe I'm just arguing semantics. If you were to say that the role of the project manager is evolving, I might be more inclined to agree, but given how different the expectations of project managers are between companies, I'd probably lean more toward localized adaptation. Some project managers might be doing more than just project management, but the project management function hasn't changed significantly.
A thought just came to mind. Perhaps it's the generally accepted definition of project management, or the generally accepted definition of the role of the project manager (if either could be said to exist - maybe locally accepted?), that is evolving. When it comes to what I do as a project manager, it hasn't changed much in 20 years, but what I was doing 20 years ago was often more than the PMBOK definition of a project manager.
In the end, I think it's just words. Think about some of Al Shalloway's posts about Scrum on LinkedIn over the last few months. He's come across as anti-scrum. Why? One reason is that Scrum doesn't solve some of the problems he's trying to solve. Another is that he's selling a "new" approach, that's not really new but it might offer some new perspectives. Is he right? Does Scrum not work? It has worked well for some companies, and others have struggled with it and moved on. In spite of his approach, what he's doing is something we should all be doing, regardless of the approach we're using - inspect and adapt.
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Aug 16, 2022 7:27 AM
Stephen Robin
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I can agree, that whether it is adaptation, evolution, pseudo evolution, or anything of the sort, regardless of the approach, project managers are to inspect and adapt.
I've always found project management to be a specific application of general management concepts and techniques. For example, managing people or resources within or outside a project are pretty similar in approaches.
Stephen RobinProject Analyst Trainee| Ministry of Works and TransportArima, Ari, Trinidad and Tobago
Aug 10, 2022 11:20 AM
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Stephen wrote: "does evolution have to be completely unrecognizable from what was in the past?"
Isn't that the definition of evolution? If project management is evolving, it's becoming something else, not just a refactored approach to produce a unique product or service.
Are there any project management approaches, currently in use, that aren't refactorings of earlier approaches combined with more modern tools? Disciplined Agile, SAFe, Scrum, etc... - variations on a theme that have been adapted to address certain perceived deficiencies of earlier approaches (often because somebody was selling something).
Maybe I'm just arguing semantics. If you were to say that the role of the project manager is evolving, I might be more inclined to agree, but given how different the expectations of project managers are between companies, I'd probably lean more toward localized adaptation. Some project managers might be doing more than just project management, but the project management function hasn't changed significantly.
A thought just came to mind. Perhaps it's the generally accepted definition of project management, or the generally accepted definition of the role of the project manager (if either could be said to exist - maybe locally accepted?), that is evolving. When it comes to what I do as a project manager, it hasn't changed much in 20 years, but what I was doing 20 years ago was often more than the PMBOK definition of a project manager.
In the end, I think it's just words. Think about some of Al Shalloway's posts about Scrum on LinkedIn over the last few months. He's come across as anti-scrum. Why? One reason is that Scrum doesn't solve some of the problems he's trying to solve. Another is that he's selling a "new" approach, that's not really new but it might offer some new perspectives. Is he right? Does Scrum not work? It has worked well for some companies, and others have struggled with it and moved on. In spite of his approach, what he's doing is something we should all be doing, regardless of the approach we're using - inspect and adapt.
I can agree, that whether it is adaptation, evolution, pseudo evolution, or anything of the sort, regardless of the approach, project managers are to inspect and adapt. Saving Changes...
Stephen RobinProject Analyst Trainee| Ministry of Works and TransportArima, Ari, Trinidad and Tobago
I've always found project management to be a specific application of general management concepts and techniques. For example, managing people or resources within or outside a project are pretty similar in approaches.
Hector ArochaSenior Consultant| Intrinz IncNoblesville, In, United States
Jul 30, 2022 6:15 AM
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In my personal opinion, project management has not evolved in the core. What has evolved are the techniques and tools project managers can use to perform project management. In fact, in my humble opinion, the last version of PMBOK is an intent to show that the project management has evolved in the core and it is a failed attempt. So, my recommendation is to stay clear on the core and with that to use tools and techniques that best fit for the current situation you are trying to create a solution thinking in the future situation to achieve. Nothing new below the sun.
Dear Mr. Conte, I respectfully disagree. Extrapolating Heraclitus "the only constant in life is change" to Project Management, evolution is not reactionary, it is a mandatory survival. You see, everything evolves. For example, the Internal Audit profession, which is my main specialty, has evolved from the witch hunting style to the risk partnership mindset. Now, I'll kindly suggest to see Mr. Jesse Fewell's presentation "The state of PM Practice - One Year after PMBOK Guide 7th Edition". Hopefully, you would find interesting perspectives on PM evolution, changes and the two approaches to PM, the "Mechanical" and the " Mindset". Please, if possible, after you see this presentation, we could exchange opinions on it or even contact Mr. Fewell directly for a practical discussion! Muchas gracias caballero. Regards.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Aug 20, 2022 6:52 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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No problem. I am here to learn from people comments and improve myself. Let me say that, what PMI created in PMBOK V7 is not an evolution. It is an involution in my opinion. No matter that, I sustain: what could evolve are techniques and tools but not the core. I think the core has not to much to evolve. But, just in case we take the actual definition of project management "Project management is the use of specific knowledge, skills, tools and techniques to deliver something of value to people." which includes tools and techniques then you can argue that my comment is not valid and project management evolves. No matter that I sustain: the core, the essence of project management do not evolve from long time ago. You have the same functions/process from long time ago and those are the same that each human being in this world use each day to survive, growth and develop. In fact, in my opinion, because the PMI saw this created the PMBOK version 7 with the aim to keep the business alive. At the end of the day, just my opinion.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Aug 18, 2022 3:39 PM
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Dear Mr. Conte, I respectfully disagree. Extrapolating Heraclitus "the only constant in life is change" to Project Management, evolution is not reactionary, it is a mandatory survival. You see, everything evolves. For example, the Internal Audit profession, which is my main specialty, has evolved from the witch hunting style to the risk partnership mindset. Now, I'll kindly suggest to see Mr. Jesse Fewell's presentation "The state of PM Practice - One Year after PMBOK Guide 7th Edition". Hopefully, you would find interesting perspectives on PM evolution, changes and the two approaches to PM, the "Mechanical" and the " Mindset". Please, if possible, after you see this presentation, we could exchange opinions on it or even contact Mr. Fewell directly for a practical discussion! Muchas gracias caballero. Regards.
No problem. I am here to learn from people comments and improve myself. Let me say that, what PMI created in PMBOK V7 is not an evolution. It is an involution in my opinion. No matter that, I sustain: what could evolve are techniques and tools but not the core. I think the core has not to much to evolve. But, just in case we take the actual definition of project management "Project management is the use of specific knowledge, skills, tools and techniques to deliver something of value to people." which includes tools and techniques then you can argue that my comment is not valid and project management evolves. No matter that I sustain: the core, the essence of project management do not evolve from long time ago. You have the same functions/process from long time ago and those are the same that each human being in this world use each day to survive, growth and develop. In fact, in my opinion, because the PMI saw this created the PMBOK version 7 with the aim to keep the business alive. At the end of the day, just my opinion.
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Aug 20, 2022 9:25 AM
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Valid point Sergio. It is far too common when an NGO becomes titanic in size like the PMI, it is not surprising that they may adopt models and strategies commonly used by commercial or for-profit entities. The growth and expansion are encouraged by those in the community but where do we draw the line when the products and services bring actual value rather than selling their brand? This is probably when an organization becomes too big for its own good.
Thoughts?
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Stephen RobinProject Analyst Trainee| Ministry of Works and TransportArima, Ari, Trinidad and Tobago
Aug 20, 2022 6:52 AM
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No problem. I am here to learn from people comments and improve myself. Let me say that, what PMI created in PMBOK V7 is not an evolution. It is an involution in my opinion. No matter that, I sustain: what could evolve are techniques and tools but not the core. I think the core has not to much to evolve. But, just in case we take the actual definition of project management "Project management is the use of specific knowledge, skills, tools and techniques to deliver something of value to people." which includes tools and techniques then you can argue that my comment is not valid and project management evolves. No matter that I sustain: the core, the essence of project management do not evolve from long time ago. You have the same functions/process from long time ago and those are the same that each human being in this world use each day to survive, growth and develop. In fact, in my opinion, because the PMI saw this created the PMBOK version 7 with the aim to keep the business alive. At the end of the day, just my opinion.
Valid point Sergio. It is far too common when an NGO becomes titanic in size like the PMI, it is not surprising that they may adopt models and strategies commonly used by commercial or for-profit entities. The growth and expansion are encouraged by those in the community but where do we draw the line when the products and services bring actual value rather than selling their brand? This is probably when an organization becomes too big for its own good.
Thoughts?
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2 replies by Peter Rapin and Sergio Luis Conte
Aug 20, 2022 10:40 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Just to comment: I was involved with the PMI from long time ago as volunteer mainly as part of the group of authors or reviewers (depending on the role the PMi assigned to me) of all the standards and playing conferences around the world mainly in PMI World Tour each year about things that today are not news today but in that times (agile, business analisys for example) from long time. I do that because it helps me to learn and to improve myself and mainly because I consider it my humble contribution to make project/program/portfolio management quit better. So, I debated each time I had the opportunity with people that belongs to PMI board all this things. From the very beginning I understood that at the end its about business, using the word business in the best sense. But today, in my humble opinion, with this strategy the only thing the PMI is doing is jeopardizing "the business". For example, there was not a public review of V7 what in my perception means that the PMI Board forgot that the PMI belongs to all their associates and it could be something mandatory to put standards on public review. Something similar happened when Agile extension was published. In times where the PMI is talking a lot of ethics, it was that behavior aligned with ethics? But it could be a matter of other debate.
Aug 20, 2022 10:46 AM
Peter Rapin
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And herein lies the 'Catch 22'. "in order to have an impact we need to survive - therefore survival is the prime driver". In order for PMI to achieve its vision it needs to continue to operate adopting models and strategies employed by for-profit entities. If it is not self-sustaining it cannot serve its membership.
Back to evolving: by looking at one available definition of evolution - "the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form" or "a gradual change driven by need to adapt to differing conditions". If one looks at the long term, say in centuries rather than decades there is no question that management, including project management, has changed - thus evolved.