Stephen RobinProject Analyst Trainee| Ministry of Works and TransportArima, Ari, Trinidad and Tobago
The common and accepted notion is that project management is still and will continue to evolve as time passes. From it being a practice to a full fledge profession and so on. With the many currents and future trends taking place and the field being highly receptive to change.
This begs the question, will there be an endpoint where the evolution stops and things become stabilized? Or will it continue to be a rolling wave as we see now?
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Stephen,
even large NGOs can succeed, if they pursue a meaningful purpose and measure their progress along that.
The book 'Forces for Good' by Crutchfield/Grant analyses 12 successful large NGOs in the US, among them Habitat for Humanity and Feeding America, both of which are larger than PMI.
They point out 6 principles that these NGOs follow and also some things they avoid doing (like being good businesses).
One of the 6 principles is to inspire evangelists (volunteers) for their cause, something PMI has missed 20 years ago (basically no growth in volunteers since then). Instead, PMI gradually introduced good for-profit practices and management and measurements, something Crutchfield/Grant say should be avoided.
Volunteers are the fuel for the NGO engine, as much as money is the fuel for for-profits.
So yes, I believe PMI is endangered but not done yet. Much will depend on the next CEO.
To your other point regarding PMBoK Guide ed 7, I agree widely with Sergio on its lack of utility for the profession and the professionals.
On the other hand, there was the need to change something for several reasons like size and complexity of ed6 or the move to principles which was just done by the ISO standards.
Unluckily from my view, agilistas highjacked the change and forced some of their unproven beliefs into ed7 (beliefs are always unproven).
And back to your initial question: yes, PM will evolve, maybe even in its core, and it remains to be seen how relevant PMI will be in this.
Thomas
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1 reply by Stephen Robin
Aug 20, 2022 3:48 PM
Stephen Robin
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"Volunteers are the fuel for the NGO engine, as much as money is the fuel for for-profits." Couldn't agree more as tenacious volunteers driving the cause would bring the PMI closer to its vision.
I believe the PMI isn't under any true endangerment due to how established it is but rather where other project management bodies such as the IPMA can surpass it in size, scope, and influence and potentially replace them as the core representative for project management. It is impossible for one organization to consolidate a practice. Unfortunately, another scenario where the project management bodies emulate the current model of the PMI basically becomes carbon copies of each other. The future is fluid, not static.
If that is the attempt from the PMI I see nothing but disaster. An endangerment where the PMI crashes and burns are the worst-case scenarios. Plausible but not realistic. Hopefully, it doesn't happen...
Moreover, if the for-profit motives continue I would not be surprised if they simply buy their competition or relegate to collaborative partnerships to keep their relevance. Or both
Furthermore, the prospect of the next CEO bringing back the PMI where it should be is ideal but if the for-profit schemes are already infused in the organization, what stops the boards and executives from simply refusing or eliminating the beneficial changes made after the CEOs reign?
I agree with the point on the lack of utility and the hijacking of the agilistas. I do see the value of the agile principles and manifesto but I can't shake the feeling that I am being sold on something rather than the actual innovation and development of the practice. The constant push for agile and the message portrays project management as such as a dim-witted child until the grand discovery of the magic pill that will change everything. Frankly, it did not produce the effect as the PMI desired. The preachy and evangelical tone is dialed up to 100 and forced in some aspects. Not inherently a bad tone but this focus could be put on volunteering which you indicated is a core principle of successful NGOs.
The agile method is great but by all means not a panacea.
For the risk of sounding cliche, I don't put my eggs in one basket so I always keep abreast of the current ongoing activities that are not the PMI. From what I have observed, they have many attractive offerings and initiatives.
Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Aug 20, 2022 9:25 AM
Replying to Stephen Robin
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Valid point Sergio. It is far too common when an NGO becomes titanic in size like the PMI, it is not surprising that they may adopt models and strategies commonly used by commercial or for-profit entities. The growth and expansion are encouraged by those in the community but where do we draw the line when the products and services bring actual value rather than selling their brand? This is probably when an organization becomes too big for its own good.
Thoughts?
Just to comment: I was involved with the PMI from long time ago as volunteer mainly as part of the group of authors or reviewers (depending on the role the PMi assigned to me) of all the standards and playing conferences around the world mainly in PMI World Tour each year about things that today are not news today but in that times (agile, business analisys for example) from long time. I do that because it helps me to learn and to improve myself and mainly because I consider it my humble contribution to make project/program/portfolio management quit better. So, I debated each time I had the opportunity with people that belongs to PMI board all this things. From the very beginning I understood that at the end its about business, using the word business in the best sense. But today, in my humble opinion, with this strategy the only thing the PMI is doing is jeopardizing "the business". For example, there was not a public review of V7 what in my perception means that the PMI Board forgot that the PMI belongs to all their associates and it could be something mandatory to put standards on public review. Something similar happened when Agile extension was published. In times where the PMI is talking a lot of ethics, it was that behavior aligned with ethics? But it could be a matter of other debate.
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1 reply by Stephen Robin
Aug 20, 2022 4:12 PM
Stephen Robin
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A case of spiked financial prosperity with the cost of abandoning the core values and principles. It sounds like the PMI is metamorphosing into a different entity from what you are saying. The higher-ups may not see it as jeopardizing as the financial figures, revenues, and contribution to the bottom line says a different story.
Regarding the ethics debate, the PMI code of conduct and ethics is simply a standard document for acceptable and unacceptable behavior for project management professionals. Which isn't enforced and there isn't some sort of PMI police force to charge those that do. Are the higher-ups going to report themselves when they break their own rules? I highly doubt that.
Saving Changes...
Peter RapinSubject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent ConsultantOntario, Canada
Aug 20, 2022 9:25 AM
Replying to Stephen Robin
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Valid point Sergio. It is far too common when an NGO becomes titanic in size like the PMI, it is not surprising that they may adopt models and strategies commonly used by commercial or for-profit entities. The growth and expansion are encouraged by those in the community but where do we draw the line when the products and services bring actual value rather than selling their brand? This is probably when an organization becomes too big for its own good.
Thoughts?
And herein lies the 'Catch 22'. "in order to have an impact we need to survive - therefore survival is the prime driver". In order for PMI to achieve its vision it needs to continue to operate adopting models and strategies employed by for-profit entities. If it is not self-sustaining it cannot serve its membership.
Back to evolving: by looking at one available definition of evolution - "the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form" or "a gradual change driven by need to adapt to differing conditions". If one looks at the long term, say in centuries rather than decades there is no question that management, including project management, has changed - thus evolved. Saving Changes...
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
@Peter
"In order for PMI to achieve its vision it needs to continue to operate adopting models and strategies employed by for-profit entities"
is a belief that led to the current bad situation that PMI is perceived as a for-profit in hiding. Half a billion in reserves and growing, and no plan to invest a chunk of it for achieving its purpose (BTW can you name that?).
As research shows (see Crutchfield/Grant), successful NGOs do NOT show
1. perfect management
2. conventional metrics (revenue, profits etc)
3. large budgets
4. brand name awareness
5. breakthru new ideas
6. textbook mission statements
All of which is shown by PMI to some degree
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1 reply by Peter Rapin
Aug 20, 2022 1:46 PM
Peter Rapin
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I don't disagree however you can't provide service without revenue. The problem starts when there is opportunity to generate more revenue than is required to provide that service and the leadership forgets, or misinterprets, the prime objective.
I disagreed with PMI's business model over 20 years ago and have not been a member since however that does not stop me from using PMI's ideas and documentation and applying it to my management efforts as I deem appropriate.
I looked up PMI's mission statement: "To provide project management education, mentorship, networking, knowledge, and support to practitioners and organizations." (no limitation to membership)
I consider myself a practitioner and thus feel entitled to continue to benefit from the organization.
Saving Changes...
Peter RapinSubject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent ConsultantOntario, Canada
Aug 20, 2022 11:32 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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@Peter
"In order for PMI to achieve its vision it needs to continue to operate adopting models and strategies employed by for-profit entities"
is a belief that led to the current bad situation that PMI is perceived as a for-profit in hiding. Half a billion in reserves and growing, and no plan to invest a chunk of it for achieving its purpose (BTW can you name that?).
As research shows (see Crutchfield/Grant), successful NGOs do NOT show
1. perfect management
2. conventional metrics (revenue, profits etc)
3. large budgets
4. brand name awareness
5. breakthru new ideas
6. textbook mission statements
All of which is shown by PMI to some degree
I don't disagree however you can't provide service without revenue. The problem starts when there is opportunity to generate more revenue than is required to provide that service and the leadership forgets, or misinterprets, the prime objective.
I disagreed with PMI's business model over 20 years ago and have not been a member since however that does not stop me from using PMI's ideas and documentation and applying it to my management efforts as I deem appropriate.
I looked up PMI's mission statement: "To provide project management education, mentorship, networking, knowledge, and support to practitioners and organizations." (no limitation to membership)
I consider myself a practitioner and thus feel entitled to continue to benefit from the organization.
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1 reply by Stephen Robin
Aug 20, 2022 4:44 PM
Stephen Robin
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The fact that you haven't been a member for over 20 years says a lot about the ailing problem. The reveals that things you have observed are unacceptable in your book.
The PMI offerings are by no means insignificant but it comes at a trade-off where potential members(Which all NGOs need) are turned off due to what you just described. Especially those that could bring much-needed change.
Solely extraction of the ideas and documentation( A forced hand due to PMI's actions) stifles the promise of a growing and impactful community of professionals. A position that the PMI has sadly put themselves in. I wonder what the future holds.
Saving Changes...
Stephen RobinProject Analyst Trainee| Ministry of Works and TransportArima, Ari, Trinidad and Tobago
Aug 20, 2022 10:38 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Stephen,
even large NGOs can succeed, if they pursue a meaningful purpose and measure their progress along that.
The book 'Forces for Good' by Crutchfield/Grant analyses 12 successful large NGOs in the US, among them Habitat for Humanity and Feeding America, both of which are larger than PMI.
They point out 6 principles that these NGOs follow and also some things they avoid doing (like being good businesses).
One of the 6 principles is to inspire evangelists (volunteers) for their cause, something PMI has missed 20 years ago (basically no growth in volunteers since then). Instead, PMI gradually introduced good for-profit practices and management and measurements, something Crutchfield/Grant say should be avoided.
Volunteers are the fuel for the NGO engine, as much as money is the fuel for for-profits.
So yes, I believe PMI is endangered but not done yet. Much will depend on the next CEO.
To your other point regarding PMBoK Guide ed 7, I agree widely with Sergio on its lack of utility for the profession and the professionals.
On the other hand, there was the need to change something for several reasons like size and complexity of ed6 or the move to principles which was just done by the ISO standards.
Unluckily from my view, agilistas highjacked the change and forced some of their unproven beliefs into ed7 (beliefs are always unproven).
And back to your initial question: yes, PM will evolve, maybe even in its core, and it remains to be seen how relevant PMI will be in this.
Thomas
"Volunteers are the fuel for the NGO engine, as much as money is the fuel for for-profits." Couldn't agree more as tenacious volunteers driving the cause would bring the PMI closer to its vision.
I believe the PMI isn't under any true endangerment due to how established it is but rather where other project management bodies such as the IPMA can surpass it in size, scope, and influence and potentially replace them as the core representative for project management. It is impossible for one organization to consolidate a practice. Unfortunately, another scenario where the project management bodies emulate the current model of the PMI basically becomes carbon copies of each other. The future is fluid, not static.
If that is the attempt from the PMI I see nothing but disaster. An endangerment where the PMI crashes and burns are the worst-case scenarios. Plausible but not realistic. Hopefully, it doesn't happen...
Moreover, if the for-profit motives continue I would not be surprised if they simply buy their competition or relegate to collaborative partnerships to keep their relevance. Or both
Furthermore, the prospect of the next CEO bringing back the PMI where it should be is ideal but if the for-profit schemes are already infused in the organization, what stops the boards and executives from simply refusing or eliminating the beneficial changes made after the CEOs reign?
I agree with the point on the lack of utility and the hijacking of the agilistas. I do see the value of the agile principles and manifesto but I can't shake the feeling that I am being sold on something rather than the actual innovation and development of the practice. The constant push for agile and the message portrays project management as such as a dim-witted child until the grand discovery of the magic pill that will change everything. Frankly, it did not produce the effect as the PMI desired. The preachy and evangelical tone is dialed up to 100 and forced in some aspects. Not inherently a bad tone but this focus could be put on volunteering which you indicated is a core principle of successful NGOs.
The agile method is great but by all means not a panacea.
For the risk of sounding cliche, I don't put my eggs in one basket so I always keep abreast of the current ongoing activities that are not the PMI. From what I have observed, they have many attractive offerings and initiatives. Saving Changes...
Stephen RobinProject Analyst Trainee| Ministry of Works and TransportArima, Ari, Trinidad and Tobago
Aug 20, 2022 10:40 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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Just to comment: I was involved with the PMI from long time ago as volunteer mainly as part of the group of authors or reviewers (depending on the role the PMi assigned to me) of all the standards and playing conferences around the world mainly in PMI World Tour each year about things that today are not news today but in that times (agile, business analisys for example) from long time. I do that because it helps me to learn and to improve myself and mainly because I consider it my humble contribution to make project/program/portfolio management quit better. So, I debated each time I had the opportunity with people that belongs to PMI board all this things. From the very beginning I understood that at the end its about business, using the word business in the best sense. But today, in my humble opinion, with this strategy the only thing the PMI is doing is jeopardizing "the business". For example, there was not a public review of V7 what in my perception means that the PMI Board forgot that the PMI belongs to all their associates and it could be something mandatory to put standards on public review. Something similar happened when Agile extension was published. In times where the PMI is talking a lot of ethics, it was that behavior aligned with ethics? But it could be a matter of other debate.
A case of spiked financial prosperity with the cost of abandoning the core values and principles. It sounds like the PMI is metamorphosing into a different entity from what you are saying. The higher-ups may not see it as jeopardizing as the financial figures, revenues, and contribution to the bottom line says a different story.
Regarding the ethics debate, the PMI code of conduct and ethics is simply a standard document for acceptable and unacceptable behavior for project management professionals. Which isn't enforced and there isn't some sort of PMI police force to charge those that do. Are the higher-ups going to report themselves when they break their own rules? I highly doubt that.
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1 reply by Thomas Walenta
Aug 20, 2022 4:38 PM
Thomas Walenta
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Well, I was on the PMI Ethics Review Committee for 6 years which could be seen as ethics enforcement. They get ethics complaints (from anyone) about misbehaviors, prosecute violators (who signed up to adhere to the code like members) and hold hearings that could and do end with sanctions.
Saving Changes...
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Aug 20, 2022 4:12 PM
Replying to Stephen Robin
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A case of spiked financial prosperity with the cost of abandoning the core values and principles. It sounds like the PMI is metamorphosing into a different entity from what you are saying. The higher-ups may not see it as jeopardizing as the financial figures, revenues, and contribution to the bottom line says a different story.
Regarding the ethics debate, the PMI code of conduct and ethics is simply a standard document for acceptable and unacceptable behavior for project management professionals. Which isn't enforced and there isn't some sort of PMI police force to charge those that do. Are the higher-ups going to report themselves when they break their own rules? I highly doubt that.
Well, I was on the PMI Ethics Review Committee for 6 years which could be seen as ethics enforcement. They get ethics complaints (from anyone) about misbehaviors, prosecute violators (who signed up to adhere to the code like members) and hold hearings that could and do end with sanctions.
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1 reply by Stephen Robin
Aug 20, 2022 5:32 PM
Stephen Robin
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I see but how broad are its oversight and scope? Can the Ethics Review Committee account for and address complaints from numerous countries at a time? Wouldn't there be a backlog of sorts where complaints take a long time to be addressed?
Saving Changes...
Stephen RobinProject Analyst Trainee| Ministry of Works and TransportArima, Ari, Trinidad and Tobago
Aug 20, 2022 1:46 PM
Replying to Peter Rapin
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I don't disagree however you can't provide service without revenue. The problem starts when there is opportunity to generate more revenue than is required to provide that service and the leadership forgets, or misinterprets, the prime objective.
I disagreed with PMI's business model over 20 years ago and have not been a member since however that does not stop me from using PMI's ideas and documentation and applying it to my management efforts as I deem appropriate.
I looked up PMI's mission statement: "To provide project management education, mentorship, networking, knowledge, and support to practitioners and organizations." (no limitation to membership)
I consider myself a practitioner and thus feel entitled to continue to benefit from the organization.
The fact that you haven't been a member for over 20 years says a lot about the ailing problem. The reveals that things you have observed are unacceptable in your book.
The PMI offerings are by no means insignificant but it comes at a trade-off where potential members(Which all NGOs need) are turned off due to what you just described. Especially those that could bring much-needed change.
Solely extraction of the ideas and documentation( A forced hand due to PMI's actions) stifles the promise of a growing and impactful community of professionals. A position that the PMI has sadly put themselves in. I wonder what the future holds.
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1 reply by Thomas Walenta
Aug 20, 2022 5:00 PM
Thomas Walenta
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Stephen,
sorry for causing this misunderstanding: I am a member since 1992.
The 20 years referred to PMI‘s stalling number of its volunteers which is about 10k since 20 years, during which time members and certificate holders multiplied. They bring revenue.
Saving Changes...
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Aug 20, 2022 4:44 PM
Replying to Stephen Robin
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The fact that you haven't been a member for over 20 years says a lot about the ailing problem. The reveals that things you have observed are unacceptable in your book.
The PMI offerings are by no means insignificant but it comes at a trade-off where potential members(Which all NGOs need) are turned off due to what you just described. Especially those that could bring much-needed change.
Solely extraction of the ideas and documentation( A forced hand due to PMI's actions) stifles the promise of a growing and impactful community of professionals. A position that the PMI has sadly put themselves in. I wonder what the future holds.
Stephen,
sorry for causing this misunderstanding: I am a member since 1992.
The 20 years referred to PMI‘s stalling number of its volunteers which is about 10k since 20 years, during which time members and certificate holders multiplied. They bring revenue.
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1 reply by Stephen Robin
Aug 20, 2022 5:30 PM
Stephen Robin
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Thomas, I think Peter was referring to PMI's business model in what he said.
"I disagreed with PMI's business model over 20 years ago and have not been a member since however that does not stop me from using PMI's ideas and documentation and applying it to my management efforts as I deem appropriate."
I do recall in a previous thread about the lack of growth in volunteering numbers in the PMI so I am aware of that fact.