Stephen RobinProject Analyst Trainee| Ministry of Works and TransportArima, Ari, Trinidad and Tobago
The common and accepted notion is that project management is still and will continue to evolve as time passes. From it being a practice to a full fledge profession and so on. With the many currents and future trends taking place and the field being highly receptive to change.
This begs the question, will there be an endpoint where the evolution stops and things become stabilized? Or will it continue to be a rolling wave as we see now?
I believe in evolution and also in revolution. What seems to be just an enhancement of approach on PM at first glance, along of the years when well implemented and bringing the expected outcomes with consistency, will be registered in the near future as the revolution started years before. Of course not everything that is proposed can reach the level of usability but we need to try the innovative ways every time we see the opportunity to benefit the stakeholders.
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1 reply by Stephen Robin
Nov 17, 2022 9:21 AM
Stephen Robin
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Great point Vagner. I see we share the same train of thought. Evolution isn't always explosive and vastly transformative. It runs its course in the long term as it will not be fully registered after the expected outcomes meet or exceed expectations as a result. On a consistent basis of course. At the end of the day, innovative ways need to be conceptualized to meet the needs of stakeholders and bring much need benefits that are innumerable in this constantly changing world.
You right Stephen. Relating Green PM, I follow those practices from long time ago as a complement of PMI way and now the PMI has made a join venture or something like that with them. My concern about that is the history, at least as far I know so I could be wrong, is when PMI made this type of things then the other organization and practices "disappear". Some things in the life are simple and repetitive like project management. Because of that, in my personal opinion, it was a good approach what the PMI took to create just a guide when a set of process and a set of techniques and practices people can take after analyzing what best fits for the initiative. The problem is lot of people did not understand that and a general misunderstanding about the guide is outside there. Mainly thinking about projects are the key thing instead of understand that projects are just a mean. Again, in my opinion, the PMI itself contribute to that to maintain and growth "his business" which is not good. But at the end, if you see how big is the PMI then it could be valid to think the strategy had good results for the PMI but not for lot of other people that works with projects. And today, this strategy, is making the PMI "stagger".
Hi Sergio, I'm sorry but I disagree from one of your concepts. As PMBOOK, 7th Ed., Page 4 (Key Terms and Concepts": "Project. A temporary endeavor undertaken to create a[n] unique product, service or result." The "new" word is implied in the definition, Unique means that it will never be anything like it, non-repeatable. The "simple and repetitive like project management" is not a project but an operation; operation itself is a repetitive thing, over and over again, like doing soda cans. A Project will be to install the machine to do the soda cans.
Life is a project by itself, at least for me. Ever changing and ever new, not even the sun comes out by the same place every day or second. Project is change, not repetition.
Some companies, slam the buzz-word "Project" to anything that they want to isolate from their balance sheets. This makes an isolation from the company's balance sheets. It can be there forever.
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4 replies by Alfredo Arizaleta, Peter Rapin, Stéphane Parent, and Thomas Walenta
Oct 27, 2022 11:46 AM
Stéphane Parent
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While projects are not "simple and repetitive", project management certainly can be. Once you've mastered project management knowledge groups and processes, it's just a question of tailoring them to fit each project. In other words, project ≠ project management.
Nov 11, 2022 10:55 AM
Thomas Walenta
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Alfredo,
I do not interpret the project definition as you do. I have seen many projects that do not produce anything new, but maybe alter some existing products, or execute the same project in a different social context (different stakeholders, customers, countries).
And even if social and situational context is similar, time has altered the stakeholders and the given project from last year is not the same this year (take a birthday party as example).
And I do not see life as a project. There is no target except the coffin. And while time is limited (which true for everything), there is nothing before and after, as for any other project or change.
Nov 11, 2022 1:27 PM
Peter Rapin
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As others I take exception to your definition of 'project'. My expertise is in the delivery of infrastructure (construction) projects. There is considerable similarity between projects in this industry whether roads, bridges, warehouses, even refineries and other manufacturing facilities. In many cases we will apply the same design criteria with adjustment for site conditions only. Each bridge, each road section, each structure is typically managed as a project. According to your argument, the first installation of a soda pop-can machine, being unique, can be defined as a project yet the next machine installations an 'operation'. Both initiatives are projects and are best managed using project management methodologies.
Is life a project? I suppose if you look at it from a deity's perspective it could be - but considering your argument that repetitive equals operations, I don't think so.
Nov 11, 2022 9:14 PM
Alfredo Arizaleta
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Thanks Stephane, Thomas and Peter for your regards to my post.
Thomas, will you learn something between your birth and your coffin?
You know that PMI certifications are listed as ISO certifications. ISO mandates that every norm or guide to be updated every 3 years. That’s the reason why the PMI has the PDU to fill every three years. Also, management techniques change, and manager and people. But there’s another reason, the Project Management improves continuously, changes. For example, the PMBOK 7th Edition is totally different from the previous versions. I invite you to look at it. The Project Management Body of Knowledge changed a lot in the last cycle, every cycle.
Everything changes, even if you didn’t notice.
Sounds reasonable?
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Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Oct 27, 2022 10:45 AM
Replying to Alfredo Arizaleta
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Hi Sergio, I'm sorry but I disagree from one of your concepts. As PMBOOK, 7th Ed., Page 4 (Key Terms and Concepts": "Project. A temporary endeavor undertaken to create a[n] unique product, service or result." The "new" word is implied in the definition, Unique means that it will never be anything like it, non-repeatable. The "simple and repetitive like project management" is not a project but an operation; operation itself is a repetitive thing, over and over again, like doing soda cans. A Project will be to install the machine to do the soda cans.
Life is a project by itself, at least for me. Ever changing and ever new, not even the sun comes out by the same place every day or second. Project is change, not repetition.
Some companies, slam the buzz-word "Project" to anything that they want to isolate from their balance sheets. This makes an isolation from the company's balance sheets. It can be there forever.
While projects are not "simple and repetitive", project management certainly can be. Once you've mastered project management knowledge groups and processes, it's just a question of tailoring them to fit each project. In other words, project ≠ project management. Saving Changes...
INDUMATHI KANNAYIRAMPROJECT MANAGER| DELTASTAR POWER PROJECTS SERVICES LLCAbudhabi, U.A.E, United Arab Emirates
This discussion itself explores the evolving impact of agile practices on large-scale software programs with an emphasis on multi-team coordination Saving Changes...
INDUMATHI KANNAYIRAMPROJECT MANAGER| DELTASTAR POWER PROJECTS SERVICES LLCAbudhabi, U.A.E, United Arab Emirates
This discussion itself explores the evolving impact of agile practices on large-scale & small-scale software programs with an emphasis on multi-team coordination Saving Changes...
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Oct 27, 2022 10:45 AM
Replying to Alfredo Arizaleta
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Hi Sergio, I'm sorry but I disagree from one of your concepts. As PMBOOK, 7th Ed., Page 4 (Key Terms and Concepts": "Project. A temporary endeavor undertaken to create a[n] unique product, service or result." The "new" word is implied in the definition, Unique means that it will never be anything like it, non-repeatable. The "simple and repetitive like project management" is not a project but an operation; operation itself is a repetitive thing, over and over again, like doing soda cans. A Project will be to install the machine to do the soda cans.
Life is a project by itself, at least for me. Ever changing and ever new, not even the sun comes out by the same place every day or second. Project is change, not repetition.
Some companies, slam the buzz-word "Project" to anything that they want to isolate from their balance sheets. This makes an isolation from the company's balance sheets. It can be there forever.
Alfredo,
I do not interpret the project definition as you do. I have seen many projects that do not produce anything new, but maybe alter some existing products, or execute the same project in a different social context (different stakeholders, customers, countries).
And even if social and situational context is similar, time has altered the stakeholders and the given project from last year is not the same this year (take a birthday party as example).
And I do not see life as a project. There is no target except the coffin. And while time is limited (which true for everything), there is nothing before and after, as for any other project or change. Saving Changes...
Peter RapinSubject Matter Expect; Project Delivery| Independent ConsultantOntario, Canada
Oct 27, 2022 10:45 AM
Replying to Alfredo Arizaleta
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Hi Sergio, I'm sorry but I disagree from one of your concepts. As PMBOOK, 7th Ed., Page 4 (Key Terms and Concepts": "Project. A temporary endeavor undertaken to create a[n] unique product, service or result." The "new" word is implied in the definition, Unique means that it will never be anything like it, non-repeatable. The "simple and repetitive like project management" is not a project but an operation; operation itself is a repetitive thing, over and over again, like doing soda cans. A Project will be to install the machine to do the soda cans.
Life is a project by itself, at least for me. Ever changing and ever new, not even the sun comes out by the same place every day or second. Project is change, not repetition.
Some companies, slam the buzz-word "Project" to anything that they want to isolate from their balance sheets. This makes an isolation from the company's balance sheets. It can be there forever.
As others I take exception to your definition of 'project'. My expertise is in the delivery of infrastructure (construction) projects. There is considerable similarity between projects in this industry whether roads, bridges, warehouses, even refineries and other manufacturing facilities. In many cases we will apply the same design criteria with adjustment for site conditions only. Each bridge, each road section, each structure is typically managed as a project. According to your argument, the first installation of a soda pop-can machine, being unique, can be defined as a project yet the next machine installations an 'operation'. Both initiatives are projects and are best managed using project management methodologies.
Is life a project? I suppose if you look at it from a deity's perspective it could be - but considering your argument that repetitive equals operations, I don't think so.
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1 reply by Alfredo Arizaleta
Nov 11, 2022 9:00 PM
Alfredo Arizaleta
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Hi Peter, I'm learning and I'm also trying not to be a purist.
As I mentioned, the accounting "project" isolates the project from the company accounting. If you choose to cut a "mega" project in more manageable pieces is a very reasonable approach. As a boss of mine said: "eating the cake piece by piece". Each project would be assigned to a team with more knowledge on each piece.
If I go to the term "unique", every piece of the mega project is unique. The uniqueness goes to the length of the bridge, or the paving used, or the soil below (disclaimer, I'm Electronics Engineer, neither Civil nor “Roads and Bridges”). I guess that you are not building n x 100m equal bridges all around and assembling them until you get the distance. Every time that you change a specification, you have to go for every step of the process. The project process as you mention. Unique. What you are doing is learning to use your knowledge and applying it to new endeavors, and you may be improving on it.
The soda machine, the first one could be part of a project to test install 100 around the country, a pilot test. It would be possible to get flawless installation by the 50 or 78 machine, or 10,000. That’s a learning curve. Then you identify many variables not known at the beginning. As a curiosity, there are more than 5m Soda Machines in the USA and more than 17,000 operators. The life expectancy of each is about 12 years, or about 420,000 should be change about every year. How would you do a project to update them to debit cards? Just one of them? That would be really an interesting project to do just the deploy, lasting 12 years. When you end the project and begin the operation is fuzzy though. When the updates end?
As others I take exception to your definition of 'project'. My expertise is in the delivery of infrastructure (construction) projects. There is considerable similarity between projects in this industry whether roads, bridges, warehouses, even refineries and other manufacturing facilities. In many cases we will apply the same design criteria with adjustment for site conditions only. Each bridge, each road section, each structure is typically managed as a project. According to your argument, the first installation of a soda pop-can machine, being unique, can be defined as a project yet the next machine installations an 'operation'. Both initiatives are projects and are best managed using project management methodologies.
Is life a project? I suppose if you look at it from a deity's perspective it could be - but considering your argument that repetitive equals operations, I don't think so.
Hi Peter, I'm learning and I'm also trying not to be a purist.
As I mentioned, the accounting "project" isolates the project from the company accounting. If you choose to cut a "mega" project in more manageable pieces is a very reasonable approach. As a boss of mine said: "eating the cake piece by piece". Each project would be assigned to a team with more knowledge on each piece.
If I go to the term "unique", every piece of the mega project is unique. The uniqueness goes to the length of the bridge, or the paving used, or the soil below (disclaimer, I'm Electronics Engineer, neither Civil nor “Roads and Bridges”). I guess that you are not building n x 100m equal bridges all around and assembling them until you get the distance. Every time that you change a specification, you have to go for every step of the process. The project process as you mention. Unique. What you are doing is learning to use your knowledge and applying it to new endeavors, and you may be improving on it.
The soda machine, the first one could be part of a project to test install 100 around the country, a pilot test. It would be possible to get flawless installation by the 50 or 78 machine, or 10,000. That’s a learning curve. Then you identify many variables not known at the beginning. As a curiosity, there are more than 5m Soda Machines in the USA and more than 17,000 operators. The life expectancy of each is about 12 years, or about 420,000 should be change about every year. How would you do a project to update them to debit cards? Just one of them? That would be really an interesting project to do just the deploy, lasting 12 years. When you end the project and begin the operation is fuzzy though. When the updates end? Saving Changes...
"Projects are not easy. If you walk all the way from the very beginning to the end you understand its complexity. Most of the time you’re the PM in the middle of the project or doing a fraction of it. " I strongly agree on this point.
The role and responsibilities of the project manager are very demanding and stressful. From my perspective projects aren't meant to be easy. An endeavor that final output to deliver produce, service, or end result with a lasting impact would come with a toll as you said. "The bigger the project, the more toll on your heart..."
For that reason, that is exactly why it should evolve. As it evolves, the introduction of much need innovations, solutions, ideas, tools, techniques, software, etc. This in turn would make things easier for project managers. Example A.I tools that handle particular processes or systems on the side so the project manager can handle the loaded work.
Isn't one of the reasons why Agile and its methodologies were made due to make things easier and more compact? I.T Projects are well known for their high failure rate compared to other types of projects. Therefore a solution was provided to due with ailing problems that affect I.T project managers and team members.
To this end, let us look back at the basic reasons for projects.
(1) Fulfill a need
(2) Solve a problem
(3) Exploit an opportunity
(4) Fulfill a legal requirement
Now turn this list on its head so that it can apply to project management itself. There are needs to be fulfilled, existing problems to be solved, opportunities to be exploited, and continuing requirements and compliance to be completed within the field itself.
That is why I think evolution is imperative or at least a robust focus on adaptation.
Hi Sergio, I'm sorry but I disagree from one of your concepts. As PMBOOK, 7th Ed., Page 4 (Key Terms and Concepts": "Project. A temporary endeavor undertaken to create a[n] unique product, service or result." The "new" word is implied in the definition, Unique means that it will never be anything like it, non-repeatable. The "simple and repetitive like project management" is not a project but an operation; operation itself is a repetitive thing, over and over again, like doing soda cans. A Project will be to install the machine to do the soda cans.
Life is a project by itself, at least for me. Ever changing and ever new, not even the sun comes out by the same place every day or second. Project is change, not repetition.
Some companies, slam the buzz-word "Project" to anything that they want to isolate from their balance sheets. This makes an isolation from the company's balance sheets. It can be there forever.
Thanks Stephane, Thomas and Peter for your regards to my post.
Thomas, will you learn something between your birth and your coffin?
You know that PMI certifications are listed as ISO certifications. ISO mandates that every norm or guide to be updated every 3 years. That’s the reason why the PMI has the PDU to fill every three years. Also, management techniques change, and manager and people. But there’s another reason, the Project Management improves continuously, changes. For example, the PMBOK 7th Edition is totally different from the previous versions. I invite you to look at it. The Project Management Body of Knowledge changed a lot in the last cycle, every cycle.