Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Mar 30, 2023 11:32 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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I doubt it given the large army of certified folks out there who rely on volunteering as one of their ways of earning PDUs.
Kiron
I agree with Kiron on this Luis but I also see your point of view so it is strange they removed Volunteering. They must have a strong reason!
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Mar 30, 2023 12:25 PM
Luis Branco
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Dear Rami
There is always a "strong reason" for people to act in a certain way :-)
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Mar 30, 2023 11:55 AM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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I agree with Kiron on this Luis but I also see your point of view so it is strange they removed Volunteering. They must have a strong reason!
Dear Rami
There is always a "strong reason" for people to act in a certain way :-) Saving Changes...
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Mar 30, 2023 7:56 AM
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The 2017 Strategic plan contained this about 'values'
Even as a diverse organization, we share a common set of values that are fundamental and deeply held.
At PMI we believe in:
■ Project Management Impact
Project management is a critical competence that has a positive influence on organization results and society at-large.
■ Professionalism
Accountability and ethical behavior ensure our commitment to PMI stakeholders.
■ Volunteerism
Volunteers and effective volunteer partnerships with staff are the best way to accomplish the Institute's goals and objectives.
■ Community
Bringing members of the global project management community together is the best way to facilitate their growth and the advancement of the project management profession.
■ Engagement
PMI encourages diverse viewpoints and empowers individuals to contribute to the project management profession and to the Institute.
The following, current strategic plan as of 2021 does not mention values.
There might be a difference between unspecified 'values' (2017) and 'cultural values' (2022).
Hi Luis,
There must be an explanation for this dish or any other :-) A: we always look for reasons (why) and sometimes it is just a fad
Is volunteering over? A: not at all, people want to volunteer, there are now 11K volunteers registered at HQ, many more in the Chapters. The more suffering, the more volunteering, its human
Is it implicit in what is not explicit? A: sometimes yes. Regarding culture, if there is a stated one, then there is a differing existing one
Will they change the business model? A: they try, and I think they fail. For example B2B.
Will the Boards of Chapters be remunerated? A: they could possibly, depending on their local charters, but I know of none. The PMI Board could try to employ professional directors for money.
Is PMI going to buy services instead of volunteering? A: oh yes they already do, all the B2B people and the marketing people (e.g. regional directors) and letting PwC, BCG, KPMG and other write their concepts, and do not forget buying DA and Flex. And they should spend reserves on furthering their purpose.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Mar 30, 2023 1:17 PM
Luis Branco
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Dear Thomas
Indeed, the issue of organizational culture is a very important issue
It's about "how we do things around here"
I am referring to the values, attitudes, beliefs, behaviors, practices of the members of the organizational body
In recent years, in the case of PMI, it has been a big mess...unfortunately!
Where will the PMI stop?
I am one of those people who volunteer for the purpose, not to get anything in return. I do not volunteer to covertly do business and/or gain notoriety.
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Mar 30, 2023 12:54 PM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Hi Luis,
There must be an explanation for this dish or any other :-) A: we always look for reasons (why) and sometimes it is just a fad
Is volunteering over? A: not at all, people want to volunteer, there are now 11K volunteers registered at HQ, many more in the Chapters. The more suffering, the more volunteering, its human
Is it implicit in what is not explicit? A: sometimes yes. Regarding culture, if there is a stated one, then there is a differing existing one
Will they change the business model? A: they try, and I think they fail. For example B2B.
Will the Boards of Chapters be remunerated? A: they could possibly, depending on their local charters, but I know of none. The PMI Board could try to employ professional directors for money.
Is PMI going to buy services instead of volunteering? A: oh yes they already do, all the B2B people and the marketing people (e.g. regional directors) and letting PwC, BCG, KPMG and other write their concepts, and do not forget buying DA and Flex. And they should spend reserves on furthering their purpose.
Dear Thomas
Indeed, the issue of organizational culture is a very important issue
It's about "how we do things around here"
I am referring to the values, attitudes, beliefs, behaviors, practices of the members of the organizational body
In recent years, in the case of PMI, it has been a big mess...unfortunately!
Where will the PMI stop?
I am one of those people who volunteer for the purpose, not to get anything in return. I do not volunteer to covertly do business and/or gain notoriety.
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1 reply by Thomas Walenta
Mar 31, 2023 4:52 AM
Thomas Walenta
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Luis,
agree, organizational culture is important in influencing the behaviour of employees (and mgmt), but it is only one factor. And it is in itself hard to influence, we are talking about observed culture, intended culture (and a cultural transformation towards) and un-observed, but active culture.
A cultural transformation can be supported by - exchanging employees from people who are embedded in the existing culture to empty pages (why companies like SAP used to hire only people fresh from university) - finding and nurturing champions on all hierarchies (what Brightline transformation compass suggests) - putting it on the top agenda of the complete C-Suite - having enough time and doing it in increments - or, by a disaster happening and turning upsides down
Second thought on the term value, most misunderstand term in our profession. Talking about value without setting the context, without naming the humans that perceive that value is utter nonsense.
So, in reading the 'cultural values' I assume it is targeted towards what PMI now calls community, and it includes staff and volunteers, maybe more. And it is expressing expected behaviours from their side towards individuals in that community.
Reading the 'old values', they are not labeled cultural. I understand they were targeted at the organization PMI, including its roles, but not at humans.
I do not think PMI is a mess, they are (re)acting to the changes in the marketplace/profession. And I hope they do not stop but continue building their wisdom.
Volunteering is not about getting something back. It is about giving, to other humans and organizations that support them. If you volunteer on the Chapter level you can select what you do to whom, as I do. And there are more ways, like mentoring or expressing your views here, as you do.
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Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
Mar 30, 2023 1:17 PM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Dear Thomas
Indeed, the issue of organizational culture is a very important issue
It's about "how we do things around here"
I am referring to the values, attitudes, beliefs, behaviors, practices of the members of the organizational body
In recent years, in the case of PMI, it has been a big mess...unfortunately!
Where will the PMI stop?
I am one of those people who volunteer for the purpose, not to get anything in return. I do not volunteer to covertly do business and/or gain notoriety.
Luis,
agree, organizational culture is important in influencing the behaviour of employees (and mgmt), but it is only one factor. And it is in itself hard to influence, we are talking about observed culture, intended culture (and a cultural transformation towards) and un-observed, but active culture.
A cultural transformation can be supported by - exchanging employees from people who are embedded in the existing culture to empty pages (why companies like SAP used to hire only people fresh from university) - finding and nurturing champions on all hierarchies (what Brightline transformation compass suggests) - putting it on the top agenda of the complete C-Suite - having enough time and doing it in increments - or, by a disaster happening and turning upsides down
Second thought on the term value, most misunderstand term in our profession. Talking about value without setting the context, without naming the humans that perceive that value is utter nonsense.
So, in reading the 'cultural values' I assume it is targeted towards what PMI now calls community, and it includes staff and volunteers, maybe more. And it is expressing expected behaviours from their side towards individuals in that community.
Reading the 'old values', they are not labeled cultural. I understand they were targeted at the organization PMI, including its roles, but not at humans.
I do not think PMI is a mess, they are (re)acting to the changes in the marketplace/profession. And I hope they do not stop but continue building their wisdom.
Volunteering is not about getting something back. It is about giving, to other humans and organizations that support them. If you volunteer on the Chapter level you can select what you do to whom, as I do. And there are more ways, like mentoring or expressing your views here, as you do.
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1 reply by Luis Branco
Mar 31, 2023 6:58 AM
Luis Branco
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Dear Thomas Thank you for sharing your perspective
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Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Mar 31, 2023 4:52 AM
Replying to Thomas Walenta
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Luis,
agree, organizational culture is important in influencing the behaviour of employees (and mgmt), but it is only one factor. And it is in itself hard to influence, we are talking about observed culture, intended culture (and a cultural transformation towards) and un-observed, but active culture.
A cultural transformation can be supported by - exchanging employees from people who are embedded in the existing culture to empty pages (why companies like SAP used to hire only people fresh from university) - finding and nurturing champions on all hierarchies (what Brightline transformation compass suggests) - putting it on the top agenda of the complete C-Suite - having enough time and doing it in increments - or, by a disaster happening and turning upsides down
Second thought on the term value, most misunderstand term in our profession. Talking about value without setting the context, without naming the humans that perceive that value is utter nonsense.
So, in reading the 'cultural values' I assume it is targeted towards what PMI now calls community, and it includes staff and volunteers, maybe more. And it is expressing expected behaviours from their side towards individuals in that community.
Reading the 'old values', they are not labeled cultural. I understand they were targeted at the organization PMI, including its roles, but not at humans.
I do not think PMI is a mess, they are (re)acting to the changes in the marketplace/profession. And I hope they do not stop but continue building their wisdom.
Volunteering is not about getting something back. It is about giving, to other humans and organizations that support them. If you volunteer on the Chapter level you can select what you do to whom, as I do. And there are more ways, like mentoring or expressing your views here, as you do.
Dear Thomas Thank you for sharing your perspective Saving Changes...
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