Product Operations Program ManagerBarcelona, Cataluña, Spain
Looking forward to the feedback of individuals that have both. Of course, any other feedback is appreciated. Saving Changes...
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Markus KopkoAI Enabler for Project & Program Mgmt | Founder PMotion.ai / The PM
AI Coach| PMotion.aiHamburg, Hamburg, Germany
Hi Eduard,
that is not an either/or question.
The ACP is the Intro-Certification to the DA/DASSM Path.
As I am informed correctly, there should be a renaming of the ACP/DA Certifications throughout this year to avoid further confusion.
So, since the ACP is a more foundational Certification, it depends on whether you have any prior agile experience; if so, ACP does not make that much sense. Otherwise, it provides a great overview of the agile world.
I'd recommend the DA path as there is a certification progression and a richness of IP behind it that you simply don't get with the ACP. I was expecting PMI to have looked at dropping the ACP by this point, but given the number of folks who have that cert, it is a good ongoing source of revenue through renewals so that's unlikely to happen.
Kiron
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Jan 05, 2024 8:40 AM
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Kiron, I do still see significant value in the PMI-ACP that the DASM and DASSM don’t offer. The DASSM goes over concepts and principles assuming you do have experience dealing with agile teams and assuming one have a basic understanding of Agile concepts which might not be the case for many.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Eduard, I have a different point of view than Kiron’s. I did earn my PMI-ACP before the DASSM and I do feel if that wasn’t the case, I wouldn’t have benefited much or made sense of many concepts in the DASSM so from my own experience, taking the PMI-ACP would be a great first step that in my opinion is necessary before you go down the DA route. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 05, 2024 7:06 AM
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Eduard -
I'd recommend the DA path as there is a certification progression and a richness of IP behind it that you simply don't get with the ACP. I was expecting PMI to have looked at dropping the ACP by this point, but given the number of folks who have that cert, it is a good ongoing source of revenue through renewals so that's unlikely to happen.
Kiron
Kiron, I do still see significant value in the PMI-ACP that the DASM and DASSM don’t offer. The DASSM goes over concepts and principles assuming you do have experience dealing with agile teams and assuming one have a basic understanding of Agile concepts which might not be the case for many. Saving Changes...
I didn't learn anything new when preparing for the ACP (but I've been exposed to various flavors of agile for a while), and while the materials I used did cover aspects of agile, it felt like it was more about exam prep than how to apply what was being covered.
The DASM path felt more practical and introduced some tools and concepts that have proven useful. The DASSM class was not significantly novel, but I pursued it so that I could take the DAVSC class.
Neither certification path has provided certifications that employers, in my area, are looking for. The DA path has given me information, perspective, and tools I've been able to apply at work. Other people may have had a different experience, but I hope this helps. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
PMI-ACP is generalistic. DM related certifications are more specific to DA environment. But to choose to start the effort to get a certification I always create my own estimation about future market demands on the certification. So, now you have the numbers about the demand of both and you can decide just in case you take my way of decide about it. Saving Changes...
Daniel GormleyPMI-ACP SVP Scrum Master and Agile Project Senior Lead, Agile Coach, PQ Coach| InnerVida LLCJacksonville, Fl, United States
I have both the ACP (2013) and DASSM (2022), in fact I am an instructor. If you look at job description requirements, you will see PMI-ACP and PMP, I have yet to see a requirement for DASM or DASSM. Unfortunately PMI has not promoted DA sufficiently in my opinion, the content is great and the DA toolkit is awesome. It seems as if SAFe has dominated the Agile space, hopefully PMI will step-up and provide a clear path.
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Jan 07, 2024 7:57 AM
Kiron Bondale
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The good thing about DA is that there is a small but very active group of pre-PMI DA loyalists like myself who will evangelize its benefits wherever we go. That is how DA was able to achieve the mind share it had pre-PMI and it will continue post-acquisition.
Unfortunately, with Scott, Mark and Al's departure from PMI, the majority of the vision and thought leadership behind DA disappeared within it.
I have both the ACP (2013) and DASSM (2022), in fact I am an instructor. If you look at job description requirements, you will see PMI-ACP and PMP, I have yet to see a requirement for DASM or DASSM. Unfortunately PMI has not promoted DA sufficiently in my opinion, the content is great and the DA toolkit is awesome. It seems as if SAFe has dominated the Agile space, hopefully PMI will step-up and provide a clear path.
The good thing about DA is that there is a small but very active group of pre-PMI DA loyalists like myself who will evangelize its benefits wherever we go. That is how DA was able to achieve the mind share it had pre-PMI and it will continue post-acquisition.
Unfortunately, with Scott, Mark and Al's departure from PMI, the majority of the vision and thought leadership behind DA disappeared within it.
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