Mike FrenetteManager, IT PMO| Halifax Water (retired)Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
A Scrum Master and a Project Manager are the same?
I am seeing this statement in a number of posts on LinkedIn where people are passionately debating the recently announced strategic partnership between PMI and the Agile Alliance.
What do you think?
Should all Scrum Masters now be dubbed with the Project Manager title .... and vice versa?
In a fully Agile organization, like I helped create in the mid-1990s at a government facility, you don't need either: A truly "self-organizing team" does not have a full-time organizer. The team members rotated the Facilitator role, similar to the SM. The process they built created short-term predictability; they and the bosses accepted that the nature of the work (developing a new system of business processes) defied long-term predictability, so they didn't waste time on that. And they accomplished something in a year the group had been trying unsuccessfully to accomplish using traditional planning methods for a decade. Saving Changes...
Product Operations Program ManagerBarcelona, Cataluña, Spain
Here’s my perspective: most PMs possess the skills and capabilities to take on the SM role, but the reverse is not always true. This misconception often leads organizations to assume that a PM can naturally double as a SM. In such cases, the hiring organization believes they’re solving two problems at once.
In some of my projects, I successfully balanced both PM and SM roles, and while it worked out well in those situations, I wouldn’t recommend it as standard practice. Instead, it should be reserved for exceptional circumstances, such as addressing resource shortages.
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1 reply by Mike Frenette
Jan 24, 2025 1:01 PM
Mike Frenette
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I mostly agree, Eduard. However, I feel PMs cannot take on a Scrum Master role without the requisite training as it is not a natural transition.
The same is true of a Scrum Master, really. If one wanted to take on a PM role, they could take the training and try to gain the experience, but I believe the transition would be much tougher than the other way around.
While there is some overlap in the competencies and activities performed, a PM's competencies and activities go well beyond what an SM does with the exception of technical acumen related to the build aspects of the product worked on by the team.
A PM would also have multiple frameworks, methods and toolkits available to them to tailor and use as needed whereas an SM is constrained within the guidance of the Scrum Guide.
A PM is usually involved in the end-to-end (including value delivery) to a group of stakeholders whereas as an SM's primary focus is on the "construction" (to use the DA term) stage of delivery.
Project Manager| AWR Development (BD) Ltd. Cox's Bazer , Bangladesh
Hi Meki,
These roles are distinct: a Scrum Master focuses on team facilitation and Agile practices, while a Project Manager oversees project scope, timelines, and deliverables. Although their responsibilities may overlap in hybrid environments, renaming one role as the other could dilute their specialized contributions.
Golam
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1 reply by Mike Frenette
Jan 24, 2025 12:56 PM
Mike Frenette
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Thanks for your comments, Golam. I agree that the roles are definitely not interchangeable.
Mike Frenette Thank you for sharing! While Scrum Masters and Project Managers both play key roles, their responsibilities differ. Scrum Masters focus on facilitating Agile practices and removing team roadblocks, while Project Managers handle broader scope, timelines, and resource management. The partnership may blur lines, but the roles aren't interchangeable. What’s your take?
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1 reply by Mike Frenette
Jan 24, 2025 12:55 PM
Mike Frenette
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Thanks for the comments, Pavan. I agree with your assertion. The roles are distinct, and the responsibilities generally do not overlap, although I would suggest that both Scrum Masters and Project Managers clear roadblocks.
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Khai Ng.IT PMO | IT Project Manager| TTGROUPHanoi, Viet Nam
Hi Mike,
They are not the same. Scrum is an agile development framework; a Scrum Mater focuses on product development and it is attached to the development team that uses Scrum as the WOW while a Project manager can apply any development framework including Scrum to develop project products. Project Management encompasses a broader scope of responsibilities compared to Development Management.
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1 reply by Mike Frenette
Jan 24, 2025 12:55 PM
Mike Frenette
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Thanks for your comments, Khai.
I agree!
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Mike FrenetteManager, IT PMO| Halifax Water (retired)Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Jan 22, 2025 5:53 PM
Replying to Pavan Maddi
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Mike Frenette Thank you for sharing! While Scrum Masters and Project Managers both play key roles, their responsibilities differ. Scrum Masters focus on facilitating Agile practices and removing team roadblocks, while Project Managers handle broader scope, timelines, and resource management. The partnership may blur lines, but the roles aren't interchangeable. What’s your take?
Thanks for the comments, Pavan. I agree with your assertion. The roles are distinct, and the responsibilities generally do not overlap, although I would suggest that both Scrum Masters and Project Managers clear roadblocks. Saving Changes...
Mike FrenetteManager, IT PMO| Halifax Water (retired)Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Jan 22, 2025 8:55 PM
Replying to Khai Ng.
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Hi Mike,
They are not the same. Scrum is an agile development framework; a Scrum Mater focuses on product development and it is attached to the development team that uses Scrum as the WOW while a Project manager can apply any development framework including Scrum to develop project products. Project Management encompasses a broader scope of responsibilities compared to Development Management.
Thanks for your comments, Khai.
I agree! Saving Changes...
Mike FrenetteManager, IT PMO| Halifax Water (retired)Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Jan 22, 2025 8:22 AM
Replying to Md. Golam Rob Talukdar
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Hi Meki,
These roles are distinct: a Scrum Master focuses on team facilitation and Agile practices, while a Project Manager oversees project scope, timelines, and deliverables. Although their responsibilities may overlap in hybrid environments, renaming one role as the other could dilute their specialized contributions.
Golam
Thanks for your comments, Golam. I agree that the roles are definitely not interchangeable. Saving Changes...
Mike FrenetteManager, IT PMO| Halifax Water (retired)Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Jan 21, 2025 10:11 AM
Replying to Eduard Hernandez
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Here’s my perspective: most PMs possess the skills and capabilities to take on the SM role, but the reverse is not always true. This misconception often leads organizations to assume that a PM can naturally double as a SM. In such cases, the hiring organization believes they’re solving two problems at once.
In some of my projects, I successfully balanced both PM and SM roles, and while it worked out well in those situations, I wouldn’t recommend it as standard practice. Instead, it should be reserved for exceptional circumstances, such as addressing resource shortages.
I mostly agree, Eduard. However, I feel PMs cannot take on a Scrum Master role without the requisite training as it is not a natural transition.
The same is true of a Scrum Master, really. If one wanted to take on a PM role, they could take the training and try to gain the experience, but I believe the transition would be much tougher than the other way around. Saving Changes...
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