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Ismail Barakat Sr. Electrification Project Manager| WSP Canada Toronto, Ontario, Canada
After recently passing my PMI-PBA Exam, I found that most of the materials used during my study was developed by software industry professionals. From one side this is a development industry which is re-thinking of new development methodologies in BA. However, as an Industrial Engineer, I feel that a lot can be developed to reflect the manufacturing and construction industries.
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Ismail Barakat Sr. Electrification Project Manager| WSP Canada Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Jan 02, 2016 11:04 AM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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Ismail,

There is a lot to that post. Let's break it down.

Firstly, what methodologies are you referring to in the construction industry? I would be very interested to review.

I'm also most interested in what hedging and funding you think a BA Should be part of selecting? This seems like more rthe role of a traditional financial analyst but I might not be understanding your point fully.
Steven, Just to clarify, I am not referring to specific methodology for construction.

On the Other hand, most if not all construction projects that are done in my area are based on traditional project management. "PMBOK" has been proven to lead the project management practice and its it simply not geared towered agile approach. I think the main reason is that Organizations are not ready yet to accept this transformation from waterfall to agile.

The second part of your reply about Hedging & Funding; It is understood that financial institutions will only fund projects based on solid business case which is a BA deliverable during needs assessment. .
Despite of the fact that the sponsor is responsible to provide the fund but the BA has to convince the sponsor and maybe support him to make finance decision. Accordingly a BA has to play a part of this activity.

Let me put it in the following sequence:
1. Business Objective of any company is to make money
2. Money is an output of investment
3. Investment is to fulfill a business need
4. business need if documented in a business case
5. Then all the deliverable of Needs assessment
6. Hedging, Funding, Financial feasibility, Concept, etc.
7. BA domains [ BA Planning, Requirement elicitation & Analysis]
8. Value Engineering , Value Preposition, FEED, etc.
9. Solution evaluation
10. Project Initiation.

Please correct me if i missed something.
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2 replies by Rami Kaibni and Steven Zachary
Jan 03, 2016 5:56 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Very well said Ismail, you put it in a very comprehensive way. I totally agree with you.
Jan 03, 2016 2:10 PM
Steven Zachary
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Ismail,

Thanks for the comprehensive reply. I'll try to answer both parts:

1) PMBOK = Waterfall

I agree with this statement to an extent. PMI has gone as far as to try to reclassify waterfall (which is a curse word in most organizations). The short story is, agile still needs the outer shell of a formal structure for budgets, schedules...etc. I don't think as an industry we have a comprehensive framework. It's a hodge-podge of combining the PMBOK with ITIL or Prince2 or any number of best practices to what works in each organization for each individual culture. One can dream though.

2) Funding and Heding

While I agree this is an essential part of the business case, I don't agree it's the BA. I have done so many of these I have lost count. I can calculate IRR, NPV and a multitude of various valuation activities. But my good friends in any of the financial departments of the companies I work at have formal training in JUST this. I give them a draft of my results and there is always more inputs. I may be responsible for this, but the Finance department must and should lead this as a input to the business case.

Secondly, I still don't understand what you mean hedging. Hedging against what? Risk? Currency Fluctuations? Financial loss? Opportunity Cost?

Thanks so much for the great intellectual conversation. Where is Sergio and Stephane when you need them.
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Ismail Barakat Sr. Electrification Project Manager| WSP Canada Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Jan 02, 2016 4:22 PM
Replying to Adil Muhammad
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Ismail,

Firstly, examples in PMI's BA Practitioner's guide are more geared towards software industry, yes, I agree. I am not sure which other materials you used, so you can mention those for our understanding on the background to your question.

Secondly, BA is not an investment vehicle in my opinion. For the examples you mentioned, there might be subject matter experts like investment analysts. The job of BA is to liaise with subject matter experts and get the requirements that can be executed as part of the project, track the requirements, define test cases to make sure the product output conform to the business objectives, etc and to translate the requirements into what the project team understands (in my field, IT, it means translating the business requirements into something the software development team understands) and in these situations, BA needs to know the language the project team understands (in every industry it might be different and here also SME's help is needed). BA is not a specialization for each field, its tools are techniques are all geared towards gathering, defining, refining, tracking business requirements.
Adil, Thank you for the explanation, I totally agree with it. As you said BA is geared towards software.

My point is to expand that role to other industries.
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Ismail Barakat Sr. Electrification Project Manager| WSP Canada Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Jan 03, 2016 2:17 AM
Replying to Steven Zachary
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I second this. The practice guide actually explicitly states for the BA to consult with (a) the project manager for his estimating experience (b) A financial analyst to complete the cost benefit analyst.

Working with the financial department based on their own particular hurdle rates will lead to the best outcomes.
Steven, In my opinion, If a BA understand the financial analysis will be more efficient in developing a solution rather than a financial analyst to understand the business.

So yes, Sometime a BA has to do the financial analyst job or at least understand how it is done.
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Jan 03, 2016 2:12 PM
Steven Zachary
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I think I've addressed this in a previous post. I couldn't agree with you more.

The BA should be able to do the calculations required by the company as an input to the business case. But because this is usually high value add items, the consult with Finance is essential. I'll go so far as saying its inappropriate NOT to consult with the financial department to get valuable feedback.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 03, 2016 4:00 AM
Replying to Ismail Barakat
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Steven, Just to clarify, I am not referring to specific methodology for construction.

On the Other hand, most if not all construction projects that are done in my area are based on traditional project management. "PMBOK" has been proven to lead the project management practice and its it simply not geared towered agile approach. I think the main reason is that Organizations are not ready yet to accept this transformation from waterfall to agile.

The second part of your reply about Hedging & Funding; It is understood that financial institutions will only fund projects based on solid business case which is a BA deliverable during needs assessment. .
Despite of the fact that the sponsor is responsible to provide the fund but the BA has to convince the sponsor and maybe support him to make finance decision. Accordingly a BA has to play a part of this activity.

Let me put it in the following sequence:
1. Business Objective of any company is to make money
2. Money is an output of investment
3. Investment is to fulfill a business need
4. business need if documented in a business case
5. Then all the deliverable of Needs assessment
6. Hedging, Funding, Financial feasibility, Concept, etc.
7. BA domains [ BA Planning, Requirement elicitation & Analysis]
8. Value Engineering , Value Preposition, FEED, etc.
9. Solution evaluation
10. Project Initiation.

Please correct me if i missed something.
Very well said Ismail, you put it in a very comprehensive way. I totally agree with you.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 03, 2016 3:34 AM
Replying to Ismail Barakat
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Hello Friends,

Thank you all for your constructive contribution and sharing of experience, I really appreciate all your inputs and interest in the post. To make things simpler, I will only reply on the part of having BA for different industry.

If we agree on the objective of applying it outside the currently dominating industry (software) we will start discussing the scope and function of business analysis in this particular industry.

My apology for late reply due to time difference. Please find the individual replies below.
Thank you for raising this subject up Ismail, it is very interesting.
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1 reply by Steven Zachary
Jan 03, 2016 2:10 PM
Steven Zachary
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Agreed Rami, a great topic.
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Steven Zachary Director| Alberta Health Services Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Jan 03, 2016 4:00 AM
Replying to Ismail Barakat
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Steven, Just to clarify, I am not referring to specific methodology for construction.

On the Other hand, most if not all construction projects that are done in my area are based on traditional project management. "PMBOK" has been proven to lead the project management practice and its it simply not geared towered agile approach. I think the main reason is that Organizations are not ready yet to accept this transformation from waterfall to agile.

The second part of your reply about Hedging & Funding; It is understood that financial institutions will only fund projects based on solid business case which is a BA deliverable during needs assessment. .
Despite of the fact that the sponsor is responsible to provide the fund but the BA has to convince the sponsor and maybe support him to make finance decision. Accordingly a BA has to play a part of this activity.

Let me put it in the following sequence:
1. Business Objective of any company is to make money
2. Money is an output of investment
3. Investment is to fulfill a business need
4. business need if documented in a business case
5. Then all the deliverable of Needs assessment
6. Hedging, Funding, Financial feasibility, Concept, etc.
7. BA domains [ BA Planning, Requirement elicitation & Analysis]
8. Value Engineering , Value Preposition, FEED, etc.
9. Solution evaluation
10. Project Initiation.

Please correct me if i missed something.
Ismail,

Thanks for the comprehensive reply. I'll try to answer both parts:

1) PMBOK = Waterfall

I agree with this statement to an extent. PMI has gone as far as to try to reclassify waterfall (which is a curse word in most organizations). The short story is, agile still needs the outer shell of a formal structure for budgets, schedules...etc. I don't think as an industry we have a comprehensive framework. It's a hodge-podge of combining the PMBOK with ITIL or Prince2 or any number of best practices to what works in each organization for each individual culture. One can dream though.

2) Funding and Heding

While I agree this is an essential part of the business case, I don't agree it's the BA. I have done so many of these I have lost count. I can calculate IRR, NPV and a multitude of various valuation activities. But my good friends in any of the financial departments of the companies I work at have formal training in JUST this. I give them a draft of my results and there is always more inputs. I may be responsible for this, but the Finance department must and should lead this as a input to the business case.

Secondly, I still don't understand what you mean hedging. Hedging against what? Risk? Currency Fluctuations? Financial loss? Opportunity Cost?

Thanks so much for the great intellectual conversation. Where is Sergio and Stephane when you need them.
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Steven Zachary Director| Alberta Health Services Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Jan 03, 2016 6:21 AM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Thank you for raising this subject up Ismail, it is very interesting.
Agreed Rami, a great topic.
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Steven Zachary Director| Alberta Health Services Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Jan 03, 2016 4:15 AM
Replying to Ismail Barakat
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Steven, In my opinion, If a BA understand the financial analysis will be more efficient in developing a solution rather than a financial analyst to understand the business.

So yes, Sometime a BA has to do the financial analyst job or at least understand how it is done.
I think I've addressed this in a previous post. I couldn't agree with you more.

The BA should be able to do the calculations required by the company as an input to the business case. But because this is usually high value add items, the consult with Finance is essential. I'll go so far as saying its inappropriate NOT to consult with the financial department to get valuable feedback.
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Robert Starinsky Management Consultant| Tradewinds Group, Inc. Oak Brook, Il, United States
Business analysis skills can be applied to any domain, including manufacturing, distribution and administrative processes and even to complex social systems, not merely to software development. There are articles and cases abound on the Internet that illustrate the application of business analysis skills into these various domains.
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Ismail Barakat Sr. Electrification Project Manager| WSP Canada Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Thank you for your support of the idea, Now can someone share his experience at the application of BA in manufacturing or construction?
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