Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Usually the PM is assigned officially following the Project Charter Initiation. Project evaluation and choice among other projects are done prior to this and usually does not involve the PM. Do you believe the PM should be involved in this step and why ? Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Nilesh: perhaps I did not understand your point but it is something meeting there. Why we need to start a project? Because we need to create a product/service/result which is the solution to a business problem that emerges when needs to put strategy on action emerges. So, somebody need to define the solution first where solution is equal to "the thing" to be created (product/service/result) PLUS the process to create it (the project). So, the decision do not rest on the sponsor or the management. It rest on the person who is leading the definition of the solution.
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1 reply by Nilesh Kulkarni
Jan 07, 2016 4:15 AM
Nilesh Kulkarni
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Sergio Luis Conte: Thank you for your response and pointing out the other way. I fully agree with you. When it comes to Rami's question about 'involving PM in the evaluation process of project selection' (Correct me Rami, if I am wrong), my answer ramins the same about project selection. Reason is > this depends on the Organizations strategic objectives, if any of the strategic objective is not met then sponsor or management can approve deviation to accept the project not the PM. PM can be kept informed.
Personally, I think there is value in the PM being at arm's length of the prject evaluation and selection process.
The project manager should not be put in a position of chosing what project he/she should work on.
The big advantage of being involved is the early information you get on the projects, their benefits and the reason for their selection. Of course, this information can be shared without having to be part of the evaluation/selection team.
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2 replies by Markus Kopko and Rami Kaibni
Jan 06, 2016 7:47 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Exactly Stephane, the information of why and how is what matters to the PM without being part of decision making at this stage.
Jan 07, 2016 3:58 AM
Markus Kopko
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Hello Stephane,
you wrote:
" ...The project manager should not be put in a position of chosing what project he/she should work on.
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I am not sure if i got you right here; at the moment i tend to disagree here but may be you could be elaborate a bit more on this.
Personally, I think there is value in the PM being at arm's length of the prject evaluation and selection process.
The project manager should not be put in a position of chosing what project he/she should work on.
The big advantage of being involved is the early information you get on the projects, their benefits and the reason for their selection. Of course, this information can be shared without having to be part of the evaluation/selection team.
Exactly Stephane, the information of why and how is what matters to the PM without being part of decision making at this stage. Saving Changes...
Markus KopkoAI Enabler for Project & Program Mgmt | Founder PMotion.ai / The PM
AI Coach| PMotion.aiHamburg, Hamburg, Germany
Personally, I think there is value in the PM being at arm's length of the prject evaluation and selection process.
The project manager should not be put in a position of chosing what project he/she should work on.
The big advantage of being involved is the early information you get on the projects, their benefits and the reason for their selection. Of course, this information can be shared without having to be part of the evaluation/selection team.
Hello Stephane,
you wrote:
" ...The project manager should not be put in a position of chosing what project he/she should work on.
..."
I am not sure if i got you right here; at the moment i tend to disagree here but may be you could be elaborate a bit more on this.
Once the project evaluation and selection is completed, project managers will have to be assigned to each project deemed worthy of being pursued.
If I was involved in the first part, it might affect which project is assigned to me. In a worse case scenario, I may be involved in assigning myself work.
These decisions should be done without my involvement or consideration. Otherwise, there is a conflict of interest: what's best for the organization may not be what's best for me.
Nilesh: perhaps I did not understand your point but it is something meeting there. Why we need to start a project? Because we need to create a product/service/result which is the solution to a business problem that emerges when needs to put strategy on action emerges. So, somebody need to define the solution first where solution is equal to "the thing" to be created (product/service/result) PLUS the process to create it (the project). So, the decision do not rest on the sponsor or the management. It rest on the person who is leading the definition of the solution.
Sergio Luis Conte: Thank you for your response and pointing out the other way. I fully agree with you. When it comes to Rami's question about 'involving PM in the evaluation process of project selection' (Correct me Rami, if I am wrong), my answer ramins the same about project selection. Reason is > this depends on the Organizations strategic objectives, if any of the strategic objective is not met then sponsor or management can approve deviation to accept the project not the PM. PM can be kept informed.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 07, 2016 1:43 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Nilesh, your understanding of my question is correct and your answer is very realistic and reasonable. I agree with you.
" ...The project manager should not be put in a position of chosing what project he/she should work on.
..."
I am not sure if i got you right here; at the moment i tend to disagree here but may be you could be elaborate a bit more on this.
Thx in advance and best regards,
Markus
Markus,
Once the project evaluation and selection is completed, project managers will have to be assigned to each project deemed worthy of being pursued.
If I was involved in the first part, it might affect which project is assigned to me. In a worse case scenario, I may be involved in assigning myself work.
These decisions should be done without my involvement or consideration. Otherwise, there is a conflict of interest: what's best for the organization may not be what's best for me.
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2 replies by Markus Kopko and Rami Kaibni
Jan 07, 2016 7:43 AM
Markus Kopko
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Hi Stephane,
thx for clarifying. I do better understand now and tend more to agree with you.
Jan 07, 2016 1:40 PM
Rami Kaibni
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I somehow agree with this point of view, true. The sponsor could brief him later on all details in terms of how and why.
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Markus KopkoAI Enabler for Project & Program Mgmt | Founder PMotion.ai / The PM
AI Coach| PMotion.aiHamburg, Hamburg, Germany
Once the project evaluation and selection is completed, project managers will have to be assigned to each project deemed worthy of being pursued.
If I was involved in the first part, it might affect which project is assigned to me. In a worse case scenario, I may be involved in assigning myself work.
These decisions should be done without my involvement or consideration. Otherwise, there is a conflict of interest: what's best for the organization may not be what's best for me.
Hi Stephane,
thx for clarifying. I do better understand now and tend more to agree with you. Saving Changes...
Once the project evaluation and selection is completed, project managers will have to be assigned to each project deemed worthy of being pursued.
If I was involved in the first part, it might affect which project is assigned to me. In a worse case scenario, I may be involved in assigning myself work.
These decisions should be done without my involvement or consideration. Otherwise, there is a conflict of interest: what's best for the organization may not be what's best for me.
I somehow agree with this point of view, true. The sponsor could brief him later on all details in terms of how and why. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 07, 2016 4:15 AM
Replying to Nilesh Kulkarni
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Sergio Luis Conte: Thank you for your response and pointing out the other way. I fully agree with you. When it comes to Rami's question about 'involving PM in the evaluation process of project selection' (Correct me Rami, if I am wrong), my answer ramins the same about project selection. Reason is > this depends on the Organizations strategic objectives, if any of the strategic objective is not met then sponsor or management can approve deviation to accept the project not the PM. PM can be kept informed.
Nilesh, your understanding of my question is correct and your answer is very realistic and reasonable. I agree with you. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
While is not a document standard for business case the most accepted format (in my scope of knowledge) has in one of the sections the name of the project sponsor and the name of the project manager.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 07, 2016 2:20 PM
Rami Kaibni
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@Sergio: I did not get you, can you elaborate more on this ? Thanks
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