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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
I'm pretty sure, while estimating cost and durations, you all came accross activities where you had many unknowns and the information was not available to clarify these unknowns.

How did you address these situations ?
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Sandilyan Ramadoss Sharjah, Sharjah, United Arab Emirates
Jan 10, 2016 3:31 PM
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Agree with the first part Sandilyan - We are all on the same page in this regards.

However, if there are too many unknowns, you can never tell if they are threats or opportunities or threats that can be changed into opportunities. It rarely happens that a project is initiated and then terminated because there are too many unknowns (At least I never encountered this). It happens a lot that a WP has too many unknowns and then resolved with progressive elaboration. Moreover, for the Unknown-Unknowns, there is always a management reserve.

This is a good point that you raised and would like to know your opinion with regards to the above mentioned in addition to Suhail's.
Agree with your pt. of view Rami.
Reg. second part from my previous comment, in my opinion - If too many unknown-unknowns then even the management reserves we cannot set it, since this not part of your schedule baseline anyhow, we may eventually end up utilizing and exhausting / over project budget very fast. If the project has some known-unknowns and is manageable then it’s good to go-ahead with this project. We might have already done feasibility study by which we would already come to know about this position – is of having of too many unknown-unknowns in this project. If we come to know too-many unknowns at later stage of the project, then it’s no wonder that it’s a good chance for failure. Only having too many unknown-unknowns, it is not advisable to proceed on this project, and we’re taking a very high risk of executing this project, without knowing what we’re doing. Management reserve is only small portion, 10 – 15% of your total project budget typically, we will need to guestimate & try to evaluate max possible at least to see how much we could accommodate if too-many unknown-unknowns. Preliminary estimates (ROM) and feasibility check / study should really help you to go or no go into this project. Like others had mentioned, if we have already had the SMEs / expertise in this project, couple of unknowns could have been unearthed in the initial stage itself, being done this activity, taking into further stages with “too many unknown-unknowns” is a great risk towards, and we’re working towards the failure of the project and its resources, also we know it is going to overshoot your project budget for sure. The best is execute only if and when the project is manageable and we know what we’re doing and going to do in the project. It is as equivalent as having too many unknown-unknowns in the project is that we do not know what the project is all about. As simple as it is, better stay away, so that we can cut down the cost and resource time at least! ?
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 11, 2016 3:24 AM
Rami Kaibni
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I got your point now, I agree with you in this sense when the UN-UN are for a project as a whole but please note that I was talking about too many unknowns in a certain WP or Activity, not about the project as a whole. If the project as a whole has too many unknown-unknowns then the limit to management reserve is the sky and this is a very high risk and would lead to project failure. I agree with you that we should not proceed.

If it was a certain WP or activity then Risk Analysis, Rolling Wave Planning and Progressive Elaboration would do the job.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 11, 2016 3:15 AM
Replying to Sandilyan Ramadoss
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Agree with your pt. of view Rami.
Reg. second part from my previous comment, in my opinion - If too many unknown-unknowns then even the management reserves we cannot set it, since this not part of your schedule baseline anyhow, we may eventually end up utilizing and exhausting / over project budget very fast. If the project has some known-unknowns and is manageable then it’s good to go-ahead with this project. We might have already done feasibility study by which we would already come to know about this position – is of having of too many unknown-unknowns in this project. If we come to know too-many unknowns at later stage of the project, then it’s no wonder that it’s a good chance for failure. Only having too many unknown-unknowns, it is not advisable to proceed on this project, and we’re taking a very high risk of executing this project, without knowing what we’re doing. Management reserve is only small portion, 10 – 15% of your total project budget typically, we will need to guestimate & try to evaluate max possible at least to see how much we could accommodate if too-many unknown-unknowns. Preliminary estimates (ROM) and feasibility check / study should really help you to go or no go into this project. Like others had mentioned, if we have already had the SMEs / expertise in this project, couple of unknowns could have been unearthed in the initial stage itself, being done this activity, taking into further stages with “too many unknown-unknowns” is a great risk towards, and we’re working towards the failure of the project and its resources, also we know it is going to overshoot your project budget for sure. The best is execute only if and when the project is manageable and we know what we’re doing and going to do in the project. It is as equivalent as having too many unknown-unknowns in the project is that we do not know what the project is all about. As simple as it is, better stay away, so that we can cut down the cost and resource time at least! ?
I got your point now, I agree with you in this sense when the UN-UN are for a project as a whole but please note that I was talking about too many unknowns in a certain WP or Activity, not about the project as a whole. If the project as a whole has too many unknown-unknowns then the limit to management reserve is the sky and this is a very high risk and would lead to project failure. I agree with you that we should not proceed.

If it was a certain WP or activity then Risk Analysis, Rolling Wave Planning and Progressive Elaboration would do the job.
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1 reply by Sandilyan Ramadoss
Jan 11, 2016 3:32 AM
Sandilyan Ramadoss
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Yes, exactly. We're on same page.
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Sandilyan Ramadoss Sharjah, Sharjah, United Arab Emirates
Jan 11, 2016 3:24 AM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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I got your point now, I agree with you in this sense when the UN-UN are for a project as a whole but please note that I was talking about too many unknowns in a certain WP or Activity, not about the project as a whole. If the project as a whole has too many unknown-unknowns then the limit to management reserve is the sky and this is a very high risk and would lead to project failure. I agree with you that we should not proceed.

If it was a certain WP or activity then Risk Analysis, Rolling Wave Planning and Progressive Elaboration would do the job.
Yes, exactly. We're on same page.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 11, 2016 3:36 AM
Rami Kaibni
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I am glad we are - Thanks for your usual valuable input Sandilyan.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 11, 2016 3:32 AM
Replying to Sandilyan Ramadoss
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Yes, exactly. We're on same page.
I am glad we are - Thanks for your usual valuable input Sandilyan.
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Suhail Iqbal Suhail Iqbal PMIATP CIPM FAAPM MPM MQM CLC CPRM SCT AEC SDC SMC SPOC PRINCE2 MCT| PM Training School Rawalpindi, Punjab, Pakistan
Jan 10, 2016 10:52 PM
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You can't use Delphi Technique when you have unknowns. Delphi technique is used when you have too many opinions and you want unanimity (Best and One Opinion).

You can't provide good estimate if you have too many unknowns even if you have experts. The only way to do that is Roll Waving, Risk Assessment and Progressive Elaboration.

This is my humble opinion.
Very pertinent argument by Rami on Bernard Gore's comment about use of Delphi technique. You can only use Delphi technique in trying to identify as many risks as possible but that is not a guarantee that no risk will be left to be found. There still will be unknowns, and providing estimates for something which is unknown is UNKNOWN to me.
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Jan 11, 2016 4:43 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Thank You Suhail - I totally agree with you, This is exactly what I was trying to say.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 11, 2016 4:37 AM
Replying to Suhail Iqbal
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Very pertinent argument by Rami on Bernard Gore's comment about use of Delphi technique. You can only use Delphi technique in trying to identify as many risks as possible but that is not a guarantee that no risk will be left to be found. There still will be unknowns, and providing estimates for something which is unknown is UNKNOWN to me.
Thank You Suhail - I totally agree with you, This is exactly what I was trying to say.
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Vincent Guerard Coach - Trainer - Speaker - Advisor| Freelance Mont-Royal, Quebec, Canada
Interesting discussion, just catching it.
Rami, Suhail and Stéphane you cover it pretty well.

When too much information is missing, it is more than a contingency you need, risk approach is a better option.

And thought a series of iteration (rolling waves) you should be able to progressively reduce the unknown part, then it could be remove from the risk and handle back as contingency. The margin of error would progressively diminish from +-100% to +-50% to +-25% to less and less, often presented graphically has an horizontal Tornado, left with a big opening to eventually 0 (Barry Boehm's "Cone of Uncertainty").

In a project there should always be a single risk that is unknown-unknown, a catch all risk.

The only other option I've seen is using expert advice, that would add his/her experience and knowledge.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Apr 02, 2016 5:14 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Thanks for your input Vincent ... Great.

One more thing to add, Contingency stems out of risk assessment.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Apr 02, 2016 12:51 PM
Replying to Vincent Guerard
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Interesting discussion, just catching it.
Rami, Suhail and Stéphane you cover it pretty well.

When too much information is missing, it is more than a contingency you need, risk approach is a better option.

And thought a series of iteration (rolling waves) you should be able to progressively reduce the unknown part, then it could be remove from the risk and handle back as contingency. The margin of error would progressively diminish from +-100% to +-50% to +-25% to less and less, often presented graphically has an horizontal Tornado, left with a big opening to eventually 0 (Barry Boehm's "Cone of Uncertainty").

In a project there should always be a single risk that is unknown-unknown, a catch all risk.

The only other option I've seen is using expert advice, that would add his/her experience and knowledge.
Thanks for your input Vincent ... Great.

One more thing to add, Contingency stems out of risk assessment.
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Michelle Daigle PgMP®,PMP®, PfMP® Practitioner| Genetec Verdun, Quebec, Canada
I work with the project team on listing estimating assumptions and indicate a margin of error on estimates where there is low confidence.. If the assumption later proves false I assess the impacts. Procurement delivery lags with new vendors is one example where I use this. The assumptions are logged in my PMP and reviewed regularly.
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1 reply by Eric Harter
Jul 20, 2016 12:51 PM
Eric Harter
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Michelle, just to leverage your point and glad you brought up a point that seems to have been missed.

Much as I like all the talk about the risks - we still have to plan. We typically do not get to turn down a project just because it the level of uncertainty. In order to plan we make assumptions (that are hopefully risk-based).

In my experience planning does not necessarily fail in the explicit consideration of risk, but in managing the layers of assumptions that were made! It is easy to have contradictory or invalidated assumptions buried in a plan.

I think I am more concerned about the potential internal inconsistent assumptions unwrapping or interacting in strange ways than the relatively discrete risks.
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