Yes, I have done it in my projects in the past. Things to consider when making such a call:
- Cost/benefit analysis
- Making sure resources are available earlier for the tasks on the right hand side of the schedule since after crashing they have to start/finish earlier
- Risk analysis on what could go wrong as the result of crashing the schedule
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 22, 2016 9:53 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Thanks Ayat.
So basically it happened that you've paid a subcontractor (Not your own team or manpower) to expedite a crashed schedule ? Is my understanding correct ?
Before you can resort to crashing, always exhaust all your options for fast-tracking. If it ca be done through fast-tracking, why to crash unnecessarily. Remember Crashing should always be the last resort.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 22, 2016 9:52 PM
Rami Kaibni
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That's true because crashing incurs extra cost somehow but my question is in case you end up with crashing, is paying a vendor to deliver a critical activity sooner an option ?
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 22, 2016 3:53 PM
Replying to Suhail Iqbal
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Before you can resort to crashing, always exhaust all your options for fast-tracking. If it ca be done through fast-tracking, why to crash unnecessarily. Remember Crashing should always be the last resort.
That's true because crashing incurs extra cost somehow but my question is in case you end up with crashing, is paying a vendor to deliver a critical activity sooner an option ?
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1 reply by Suhail Iqbal
Jan 23, 2016 2:23 AM
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Of course it remains an option. Some of these options are mentioned in contract with the sub-contractor, and when they are not, contracts can be revised any time by consent of both parties. Having said that, we must be extra cautious in making these amendments to the cost as it may lead to gold-plating or outright unethical behaviour.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 22, 2016 1:51 PM
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Yes, I have done it in my projects in the past. Things to consider when making such a call:
- Cost/benefit analysis
- Making sure resources are available earlier for the tasks on the right hand side of the schedule since after crashing they have to start/finish earlier
- Risk analysis on what could go wrong as the result of crashing the schedule
Thanks Ayat.
So basically it happened that you've paid a subcontractor (Not your own team or manpower) to expedite a crashed schedule ? Is my understanding correct ? Saving Changes...
PANKAJ KUMAR JOSHIGeneral Manager| Transrail Lighting LimitedNainital, Uttrakhand, India
Yes, We did it in some of our project. We discussed the possibility to speed up the work and vendor's allowed it with a some cost!
It was difficult in manufacturing and we utilized the influence of customer to press the vendor. Saving Changes...
That's true because crashing incurs extra cost somehow but my question is in case you end up with crashing, is paying a vendor to deliver a critical activity sooner an option ?
Of course it remains an option. Some of these options are mentioned in contract with the sub-contractor, and when they are not, contracts can be revised any time by consent of both parties. Having said that, we must be extra cautious in making these amendments to the cost as it may lead to gold-plating or outright unethical behaviour. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Suhail & Pankaj: Thanks for your input - Agreed and understood but how can you really ensure that the supplier or vendor to SC will perform better and finish earlier if you pay him more ? Is there any certain criteria you use ?
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1 reply by PANKAJ KUMAR JOSHI
Jan 23, 2016 4:44 AM
PANKAJ KUMAR JOSHI
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When we procure some items; usually we ask supplier for their time schedule in accordance with our project requirement. When we ask them to reduce the time they modify their schedule and submit to us for monitoring purpose.
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PANKAJ KUMAR JOSHIGeneral Manager| Transrail Lighting LimitedNainital, Uttrakhand, India
Jan 23, 2016 3:19 AM
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Suhail & Pankaj: Thanks for your input - Agreed and understood but how can you really ensure that the supplier or vendor to SC will perform better and finish earlier if you pay him more ? Is there any certain criteria you use ?
When we procure some items; usually we ask supplier for their time schedule in accordance with our project requirement. When we ask them to reduce the time they modify their schedule and submit to us for monitoring purpose.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 23, 2016 2:38 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Procuring of specific items through a PO is different. I am specifically asking if you have a S/C on site, would you pay him more money to deliver a certain activity earlier ? If yes, how can you ensure that he will ?
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Jan 23, 2016 4:44 AM
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When we procure some items; usually we ask supplier for their time schedule in accordance with our project requirement. When we ask them to reduce the time they modify their schedule and submit to us for monitoring purpose.
Procuring of specific items through a PO is different. I am specifically asking if you have a S/C on site, would you pay him more money to deliver a certain activity earlier ? If yes, how can you ensure that he will ? Saving Changes...
It is all in the contract, if we compress the schedule by crashing the terms of contract can be re-negotiated, and we may pay him more but under new conditions to complete on new earlier date.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Jan 23, 2016 11:55 PM
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I agree with that but paying the SC to do the same work with less time is incentive so why do we need to change the contract terms and renegotiate ?
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