George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
Each PMI release should be accompanied with a Sample Story of a Project definition with corresponding templates
Everyone have had the feeling of NOT knowing how to do something that's defined withing the PMI PMBOK or other book of knowledge.
The standards are great, I follow them very carefully, yet, somethings I feel the need for an integral explanation with a sample situation when I can follow allong the theory. Also tools each Inputs/Outputs as well as the tool and techniques should have an example.
All these related to the same story from Initiation to Closing...
What do you think? Is there anything like this around? Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Sorry but I do not agree. The PMBOK is a guide and the way to follow the guide is up to you. Mainly because it fully depends about things like business domain where you apply it. Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Once again I am with Sergio - Sergio we should meet one day :)
The PMBOK Guide discusses processes not project life cycle - this way it can be generic. Project life cycles are related to methods and methodologies which has to be custom-fit to the organization, type of project, and project class.
George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
In someway I algo agree with both, yet, I have seen numerous students wondering around, "the how"... I don't mean it has to be as a part of the BoK itself, but there should be a formal reference to a storyboard of a unreal mega-project which useses all that is said in theory.
I'm not a newbie, I know that the intention of PMI is to be general.
Has anyone seen anything where you can really follow an end-to-end fictitious project that uses ALL/ALL PMI theory. Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Hi George
We realize you are not a "newbie" :-)
What you are looking for is publications - case studies - showing how to deliver a project. However, I have to be careful here
PMI is NOT the only authority on project management - so depending on PMI and PMBOK Guide one can gain a good understanding of the PM processes but not how to take a project from idea to closure. Although that is covered in Chapter 2 it is significantly under developed.
Should PMI do what you are asking for? In my view, with PMI size and wealth - they should but they don't. I am a critique on PMI so I will close my point here.
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1 reply by George Lewis
Mar 22, 2016 9:16 AM
George Lewis
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Got it Mounir... thanks for your reply...
You expressed my thoughts, with size and wealth and followers, it should be a must. It's like delivering theory without samples.
I'm not yet a critique of PMI, I'm just looking for better ways to teach those new PMs and new students.
I have read those BoKs so many times, and seems there should be something more. Maybe a seconde publication that goes side by side with the PMI BoKs, in this way they wouldn't affect their releases.
Even if it to be purchased separately.
These are just comments to understand better, so comments and help are greatful.
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George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
Got it Mounir... thanks for your reply...
You expressed my thoughts, with size and wealth and followers, it should be a must. It's like delivering theory without samples.
I'm not yet a critique of PMI, I'm just looking for better ways to teach those new PMs and new students.
I have read those BoKs so many times, and seems there should be something more. Maybe a seconde publication that goes side by side with the PMI BoKs, in this way they wouldn't affect their releases.
Even if it to be purchased separately.
These are just comments to understand better, so comments and help are greatful. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Thank you very much Mounir. Your comments are allways welcome, mainly when we agree...(hehehehehe). And George, that is because in my personal opinion, what make the diference when people select a training is the instructor that will teach the course. It is not usual to find people with enough experience mainly in several domains to conduct a training. What I do is to create study cases related to something everybody knows or have experience to teach project management. For example, to plan a wedding. Saving Changes...
Anonymous
I have published and plan to publish some of the things you are looking for - the challenge is covering all domains and not violating confidentialities
If you send me your email - I will send you a couple of e-books that were published recently about the PMBOK Guide - they do not address your concerns but raise many points about how to transform the pmbok guide to make it more practical or understood. Unfortunately - my comments (at least most of them) will not be addressed and the guide will not change toward what you are looking for.
Hi Mounir,
I've read with interest this thread. Can you please share the same documents with me? Thank you in advance
I would appreciate if you can share as well the "book showing how the processes work on a large project"
Thanks
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Anonymous
Hi George,
i can here you ...and yes, it would be great to have such a sample story which covers all the PMBoK aspects from start to end and in a consitent way.
Well, there are mostly sample storys and projects in the prep books to explain and visualize the theory better for students, but if i got you right, this is not exactly what you are lloking for.
Well, one of the problems might be that it is difficult to conduct a single project which covers all the processes and tasks out of the PMBoK Guide.
Suggestion: Why not trying to build such a sample story by your own? Or just try to initiate it as a "project" here on pm.com ...?
Regards,
Markus
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1 reply by George Lewis
Mar 23, 2016 8:34 AM
George Lewis
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Hi Markus
Suggestion: Why not trying to build such a sample story by your own? Or just try to initiate it as a "project" here on pm.com ...?
I'm trying to see if there is anything out there, so I won't have to duplicate the work, but I've I already started to link all activities per KA, it's just a huge task, some help or a team effort would be better.
Thanks for your response.
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Anonymous
Hi Markus
Agree with most points except this one "one of the problems might be that it is difficult to conduct a single project which covers all the processes and tasks out of the PMBoK Guide"
This might be a true statement for a service provider or small projects.
However, I cannot imagine a good project manager using proper project management practices that would not use all (maybe except quantitative risk analysis) process of the PMBOK Guide and more. In a typical project in the capital project industry there are possibly close to 100 processes (+/-) and we do not do them once but more than once during the project life cycle.
I even have a book showing how these things work on a large project but have not yet published it.
Regards
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1 reply by George Lewis
Mar 23, 2016 8:20 AM
George Lewis
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Hi Mounir - Can you send the information that you have published regarding this? Your statement caught my attention, I'm just not good at wording, BUT you did almost all that I was trying to say...
Thanks, It's good to interact and to know that we are not silo on thoughts.
