Lewis, would you choose a person with 9 years of experience in handling $27 Million project in healthcare/finance/automobile domain or a person with 3.5 years experience handling $2.7 Million project in single domain with CAPM certification ?
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Neil FrechetteGlobal IT Manager| Farmers Edge IncWinnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
I am all for the experience path as long as the experience starts with an education into PM Fundamentals. I would also recommend some kind of Agile introduction as well. Obviously the Agile course does not pertain or help in your PMP certification, but more into the soft skills required by a PM.
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1 reply by George Lewis
Jun 06, 2016 5:13 PM
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So you go for Basic certifications first (Agile / PM Fundamentals) and then experience?
George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
Jun 06, 2016 4:51 PM
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I am all for the experience path as long as the experience starts with an education into PM Fundamentals. I would also recommend some kind of Agile introduction as well. Obviously the Agile course does not pertain or help in your PMP certification, but more into the soft skills required by a PM.
So you go for Basic certifications first (Agile / PM Fundamentals) and then experience?
Bahri KhemaiesCEO| Bahri GroupLa Marsa Ouest, Tunis, Tunisia
Without regarding the kind of certification, because there are some certification needs experience and others no, in my point of view, both are correct, I mean we need experience to go to certification and we need certification to go to experience.
The two processes, experience and certifications, go in parallel and have some complementarities, we need training, experience, reading etc. to go to certification and we need theory, tools, techniques, etc., from certification to help us for our experience.
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1 reply by George Lewis
Jun 09, 2016 6:13 AM
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Interesting...
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George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
Jun 09, 2016 5:59 AM
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Without regarding the kind of certification, because there are some certification needs experience and others no, in my point of view, both are correct, I mean we need experience to go to certification and we need certification to go to experience.
The two processes, experience and certifications, go in parallel and have some complementarities, we need training, experience, reading etc. to go to certification and we need theory, tools, techniques, etc., from certification to help us for our experience.
One should have experience. After gaining experience, one should go for certification. Saving Changes...
Cheikh FAYE Microsoft Dynamics 365 Business Expert, CEO and owner| Eurêka TechnologiesDakar, Senegal
Experience is fundamental, experience is the key factor without which no project can succeed as well as knowledge. But on the other hand it is strongly recommended to know before to act.Finally it seems that the two are like the pair of a scissors. and may be alternatively used . Saving Changes...
I think discussion mixes different types of certificates. Foundational certificates are good to gain knowledge - but also for them I would recommend some practical hands on experience else it would be only theoretical and you would not get much for your money, since learning is much more difficult if you don't have practical contact to the issues. So I would start with some practical contact. I had the opportunity in the past - I was sitting at a desk beneath PM and vice-PM. Then I got some initial training, a first PM role with a strong mentor in a small project - then a vice-PM role in a medium sized project, some more training courses (certification was not common at that time - too expensive for my company, no requirements for certification by clients - but training was PMBOK based, since our processes where PMBOK based at that time). Success in the small and medium sized projects got me bigger engangements and in the end, I got my PMP because my manager and the clients required it. For me, basic / foundational certifications are for knowledge gain. If an applicant has them, it can be a plus, if a pro for the position asked for - but practical experience is what I'm looking for first. A professional certification (like PMP - yes, I know that there is something to improve with checking applicants) will give a plus - and maybe it's easier to get an interview. But if there is no proof of practical experience, the applicant will not pass the interview even if he has multiple certifications. (I already voted in the poll)
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Jun 14, 2016 11:05 AM
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Rolf - thanks
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George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
Jun 14, 2016 10:35 AM
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I think discussion mixes different types of certificates. Foundational certificates are good to gain knowledge - but also for them I would recommend some practical hands on experience else it would be only theoretical and you would not get much for your money, since learning is much more difficult if you don't have practical contact to the issues. So I would start with some practical contact. I had the opportunity in the past - I was sitting at a desk beneath PM and vice-PM. Then I got some initial training, a first PM role with a strong mentor in a small project - then a vice-PM role in a medium sized project, some more training courses (certification was not common at that time - too expensive for my company, no requirements for certification by clients - but training was PMBOK based, since our processes where PMBOK based at that time). Success in the small and medium sized projects got me bigger engangements and in the end, I got my PMP because my manager and the clients required it. For me, basic / foundational certifications are for knowledge gain. If an applicant has them, it can be a plus, if a pro for the position asked for - but practical experience is what I'm looking for first. A professional certification (like PMP - yes, I know that there is something to improve with checking applicants) will give a plus - and maybe it's easier to get an interview. But if there is no proof of practical experience, the applicant will not pass the interview even if he has multiple certifications. (I already voted in the poll)
