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Karthik T Senior Engineering Manager| Nike Bangalore, Karnataka, India
Hi All,

Can we close a project if lesson learnt updation is incomplete?

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Regards,
Karthik
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
May 26, 2016 11:52 AM
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Yes, agreed Rami... LL is part of project closure. However, I usually go to 1.1 Purpose of the PMBOK Guide, the definition of 'good practice' etc., and interpret it as 'everything is negotiable'... If it doesn't fit your organization / your situation, then you can omit it.

Open to your feedback...
I do not disagree with you at all Samuel - This applies to all aspects of project management.

However, Lessons Learned specifically are very important for future projects success and improvement of the organization. Can you give me on example where you've heard that Lessons Learned did not fit any organization ?
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Karthik T Senior Engineering Manager| Nike Bangalore, Karnataka, India
May 26, 2016 11:39 AM
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If I am not mistaken, PMBOK clearly mentions that documenting lessons learned is part of the project closure.

My name is Rami Kaibni, thanks !
My apologies, corrected your name.
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May 26, 2016 2:50 PM
Rami Kaibni
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No apologies required but thanks Karthik.
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Samuel Vaddi Avon, In, United States
Thanks Rami. As I indicated in my first response - I could not think of scenario, but still left it as a possibility if Karthik was in such a scenario. Hope that makes sense. I think we are on the same page.
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May 26, 2016 2:51 PM
Rami Kaibni
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I believe yes we are on the same page Samuel.
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Karthik T Senior Engineering Manager| Nike Bangalore, Karnataka, India
Thanks Samuel for sharing your thoughts. I haven't faced this scenario. I was coming from a similar situational based PMP exam question, driven me crazy.

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Karthik
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
May 26, 2016 12:19 PM
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My apologies, corrected your name.
No apologies required but thanks Karthik.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
May 26, 2016 1:54 PM
Replying to Samuel Vaddi
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Thanks Rami. As I indicated in my first response - I could not think of scenario, but still left it as a possibility if Karthik was in such a scenario. Hope that makes sense. I think we are on the same page.
I believe yes we are on the same page Samuel.
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Khushru Doctor FOUNDER| TAASHA TECHNOLOGIES Ahmedabad,, Gujarat, India
First of all you need to do the contract closure on time. Contract closure needs to be done as per the schedule. Now whether you want to wait for the Lessons Learnt and keep the project open for that depends on your Project Sponsor. Remember, so long as the project is kept open there are budgetary implications of the same. So whether or not a project can be close without waiting for the Lessons Learnt will be the decision of the Project Sponsor in collaboration with the Project Manager
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May 27, 2016 10:39 AM
Karthik T
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Makes sense Khushru, thanks!
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Conrad Kolis Senior Manager Project Management| Convergys Cincinnati, Oh, United States
Lots of good thoughts!

Ideally, we would have Lessons Learned before we close a project. If lessons are documented along the way, that makes it less of a burden at the end. If time is scheduled for a review session -- well in advance -- then it should fit nicely. Reality often doesn't work that way. It's not unusual for us to have Lessons learned as a Post-Project activity. Sometimes, sponsors want to see how things play out for a while, before they provide their feedback. The project team may be able to wrap up its own Lessons Learned before the project closes, but the project itself may need to wrap before all stakeholders have provided feedback. The Project Sponsor has the biggest role in determining whether to go that route.
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May 27, 2016 10:40 AM
Karthik T
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Interesting. Thanks Conrad!
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Karthik T Senior Engineering Manager| Nike Bangalore, Karnataka, India
May 27, 2016 4:39 AM
Replying to Khushru Doctor
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First of all you need to do the contract closure on time. Contract closure needs to be done as per the schedule. Now whether you want to wait for the Lessons Learnt and keep the project open for that depends on your Project Sponsor. Remember, so long as the project is kept open there are budgetary implications of the same. So whether or not a project can be close without waiting for the Lessons Learnt will be the decision of the Project Sponsor in collaboration with the Project Manager
Makes sense Khushru, thanks!
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Karthik T Senior Engineering Manager| Nike Bangalore, Karnataka, India
May 27, 2016 10:17 AM
Replying to Conrad Kolis
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Lots of good thoughts!

Ideally, we would have Lessons Learned before we close a project. If lessons are documented along the way, that makes it less of a burden at the end. If time is scheduled for a review session -- well in advance -- then it should fit nicely. Reality often doesn't work that way. It's not unusual for us to have Lessons learned as a Post-Project activity. Sometimes, sponsors want to see how things play out for a while, before they provide their feedback. The project team may be able to wrap up its own Lessons Learned before the project closes, but the project itself may need to wrap before all stakeholders have provided feedback. The Project Sponsor has the biggest role in determining whether to go that route.
Interesting. Thanks Conrad!
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