George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
I have seen lots of comments indicating the challenges Brazil have facing hosting the Olympics. Please comment on this if you wish. But....
I have not seen many comments on the POSITIVE aspects of hosting such a great event. In terms of project opportunities and the expectation that it will contribute to the country growth as financial investments will benefit the country once Olympics is over.
Great opportunity for Projects, Project Managers and the country Project Management itself. Saving Changes...
This format created by the International Olympic Committee to transfer the Games to different places every time has demonstrate one of the primary and serious errors of theories and Project Management practices.
After so many this practice which are actual studies of the event and the next decade and what were the concrete results of benefits? What places did not materialize and which the worst? We note that there is the famous "lessons learned".
This model serves the representatives concerned that recent history has shown undue financial fraud and favoritism. In Brazil too is no different. See the operation Wash the Federal Police of Brazil Jet and embezzlement in the construction of Maracana and the construction of all works, including the Olympic Village.
The model of Olympic Games should be rethought and so not be building new arenas every 4 years. The best would be to elect up to four places in the world and build permanent arenas interlando Olympics and World Cup in these facilities. The result would cover the maintenance of these and redistribute the nations in the form of effective social projects of the sport. It could be these arenas being built by a global consortium with large investments of all nations and their relative shares of the actual outcome of events.
It seems to me a more consistent design model with good global management practices. effective lessons to improve future projects continuously, since they are projects of the same nature and each cycle time.
Best Regards,
Otamilo Cintra de Araujo
On the contrary, moving the Olympic games create opportunity all around the planet.
Help build sporting infrastructure, that in most case would not be build. We had the Olympic in Montreal in 1976 and most of the infrastructure is still being use.
I think there challenge is more to have a different way of attributing the games. Could be to have a certain level of infrastructure in place before putting a candidacy to be hosting Olympic.
And maybe part would be to have much more supervision on the progress of construction, clear rule that would permit to cancel/transfert the games to an other location if thing are not in place at certain key moment.
In the end any major public infrastructure project is a major challenge. And it is seen has a potential place for business by many not so clean entrepreneurs.
Not to mention the 2010 Vancouver Winter Olympics.
Aug 13, 2016 8:32 PM
Farhad Abdollahyan
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Dear Vincent,
I agree totally with you when you say that a city should have infrastructure to apply for hosting the games partially.
Rio prepared itself by hosting 2007 Panamerican Games. The legacy is strong and self-evident.
The London 2012 was quite successful considering all aspects: Programmes d project
Management, procurement, sustainability as well as stakeholder management and value-for-money I factors.
The numbers showed that the games helped uk GNP by 0,9% so without it 2012 could have been at cession.
On the contrary, moving the Olympic games create opportunity all around the planet.
Help build sporting infrastructure, that in most case would not be build. We had the Olympic in Montreal in 1976 and most of the infrastructure is still being use.
I think there challenge is more to have a different way of attributing the games. Could be to have a certain level of infrastructure in place before putting a candidacy to be hosting Olympic.
And maybe part would be to have much more supervision on the progress of construction, clear rule that would permit to cancel/transfert the games to an other location if thing are not in place at certain key moment.
In the end any major public infrastructure project is a major challenge. And it is seen has a potential place for business by many not so clean entrepreneurs.
We had our share for the Montreal Olympic.
Not to mention the 2010 Vancouver Winter Olympics. Saving Changes...
I have had several opportunities to both observe multiple Olympics and be involved indirectly with the host committee. There are several project related issues that I have observed.
1. The IOC should not act as the PMO they frequently are the cause of delays and overages do to ever evolving list of last minute requirements and the bane of a PM delays in decision making. They also wreak havoc on the local neighborhoods, for example wanting Washington State to rename the Olympic Mountain range so as not to detract from the Vancouver Games, (one of many examples).
2. It is fairly obvious lessons learned are not shared as the same issues keep popping up over and over, AND over again.
3. Politics should be left out of many levels of the games. This to not only detracts from the games itself, but also affects every other aspect from choosing the location, to sponsorships and sports events, which also drives up the costs.
4. Finally, the legacy once the games are over has not been that stellar. Countries spend millions on venues and many within one to three years is; they are abandoned to become a blight on the former host city.
I used to be a fan of the Olympics when the athletes were amateurs (like the first Olympians), however now that most of them are professionals or semi-professional I can watch the same athletes compete on TV almost anytime.I don't consider myself an activist, but all of the money that is spent could actually be put to better use.
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Aug 13, 2016 3:43 PM
George Lewis
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Susan - Thanks for sharing your input...
Interesting... I would like to see more comments from you regarding this, keep commenting so we can understand the insights...
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Otamilo AraujoProject Manager| In transition phaseSao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil
Andrew Zimbalist, an economist, says in this video that hardly any nation can prestige and benefits with this event format. This report says that this model is doomed, so a country with so many needs could never venture in this project. This should only be from the shady deals made to elect Rio de Janeiro to host the Olympics in 2016, as indicated in some investigative reporting. All construction in Brazil is permeated by corruption and embezzlement, a huge injury for several Brazilian generations.
Is spent 45 billion dollars to meet all the requirements of the IOC in all Nives and the estimated revenue will not reach the value of 5 billion so 95% loss. It is the worst investment in the world in relation to return so they could have invested that money directly in direct works to serve: hospitals, schools, univerdades and many other great need and urgency.
Brazil was poorer with these megalomaniac spending to meet a usurper political class of public money.
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Aug 13, 2016 3:45 PM
George Lewis
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Otamilo - regarding project management itself, do you consider it's beneficial or not beneficial? Before and after?
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George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
Aug 12, 2016 4:34 PM
Replying to Susan Reilly
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I have had several opportunities to both observe multiple Olympics and be involved indirectly with the host committee. There are several project related issues that I have observed.
1. The IOC should not act as the PMO they frequently are the cause of delays and overages do to ever evolving list of last minute requirements and the bane of a PM delays in decision making. They also wreak havoc on the local neighborhoods, for example wanting Washington State to rename the Olympic Mountain range so as not to detract from the Vancouver Games, (one of many examples).
2. It is fairly obvious lessons learned are not shared as the same issues keep popping up over and over, AND over again.
3. Politics should be left out of many levels of the games. This to not only detracts from the games itself, but also affects every other aspect from choosing the location, to sponsorships and sports events, which also drives up the costs.
4. Finally, the legacy once the games are over has not been that stellar. Countries spend millions on venues and many within one to three years is; they are abandoned to become a blight on the former host city.
I used to be a fan of the Olympics when the athletes were amateurs (like the first Olympians), however now that most of them are professionals or semi-professional I can watch the same athletes compete on TV almost anytime.I don't consider myself an activist, but all of the money that is spent could actually be put to better use.
Susan - Thanks for sharing your input...
Interesting... I would like to see more comments from you regarding this, keep commenting so we can understand the insights... Saving Changes...
Otamilo AraujoProject Manager| In transition phaseSao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil
History of the Olympics the last 70 years are shown in this video and report that concluded categorically that no nation has obtained positive results with this model Olympiad.
It is a great spectacle of sports to stratospheric prices.
See the statements David Goldblatt says Rio 2016 gets silver medal in corruption.
Interview in the language Inglês and report in Portuguese. Saving Changes...
George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
Andrew Zimbalist, an economist, says in this video that hardly any nation can prestige and benefits with this event format. This report says that this model is doomed, so a country with so many needs could never venture in this project. This should only be from the shady deals made to elect Rio de Janeiro to host the Olympics in 2016, as indicated in some investigative reporting. All construction in Brazil is permeated by corruption and embezzlement, a huge injury for several Brazilian generations.
Is spent 45 billion dollars to meet all the requirements of the IOC in all Nives and the estimated revenue will not reach the value of 5 billion so 95% loss. It is the worst investment in the world in relation to return so they could have invested that money directly in direct works to serve: hospitals, schools, univerdades and many other great need and urgency.
Brazil was poorer with these megalomaniac spending to meet a usurper political class of public money.
Otamilo - regarding project management itself, do you consider it's beneficial or not beneficial? Before and after? Saving Changes...
Otamilo AraujoProject Manager| In transition phaseSao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil
Dear George,
Of course there is no benefit. It was overlooked the first design rule: "The sponsor should consult experts, for decades we have 7 this project template to find out if there had return." The answer is no. Canada spent 30 years to pay off the debts made to promote this model of Olympics.
The reason is different: Have a taxable event cash handling for several benefitting corrupt at various levels.
The reports that I quoted see the two (original interview the is in English) with subtitles in Portuguese.
The last 70 years the model to create super Olympic Villages is an expense nonsense of no return, so it is not investment but assuredly spent.
Only Spain had an apparent result because there was already a city reconstruction project and the Olympiad enabled and accelerated.
I wonder if you spend $ 50bilhões to an event with an income of $ 5bilhões, why not invest that money directly into education and sports? The result will be much larger and permanent.
Best regards. Saving Changes...
Farhad AbdollahyanManaging Director| Cyrus Associados Apoio em ProjetosSao Paulo, Sp, Brazil
Aug 12, 2016 2:35 PM
Replying to Vincent Guerard
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On the contrary, moving the Olympic games create opportunity all around the planet.
Help build sporting infrastructure, that in most case would not be build. We had the Olympic in Montreal in 1976 and most of the infrastructure is still being use.
I think there challenge is more to have a different way of attributing the games. Could be to have a certain level of infrastructure in place before putting a candidacy to be hosting Olympic.
And maybe part would be to have much more supervision on the progress of construction, clear rule that would permit to cancel/transfert the games to an other location if thing are not in place at certain key moment.
In the end any major public infrastructure project is a major challenge. And it is seen has a potential place for business by many not so clean entrepreneurs.
We had our share for the Montreal Olympic.
Dear Vincent,
I agree totally with you when you say that a city should have infrastructure to apply for hosting the games partially.
Rio prepared itself by hosting 2007 Panamerican Games. The legacy is strong and self-evident.
The London 2012 was quite successful considering all aspects: Programmes d project
Management, procurement, sustainability as well as stakeholder management and value-for-money I factors.
The numbers showed that the games helped uk GNP by 0,9% so without it 2012 could have been at cession. Saving Changes...
In the bigger picture of things there is a whole side of the Olympics that most folks never see and it is not very pretty. The discoveries, I have made in visiting multiple host cities was an eye opening experience. Unfortunately, what is actually being seen in Rio has happened to an extent in other cities it is just more visible in Rio because there really is more of a human toll that is being seen that is never accounted for in all of the planning for the Olympics.
Here are two other examples of the human cost of the Olympics for a host city that is most likely never considered in the event planning or "it is just the cost of doing business".
In one of the cases the transportation project which was launched to move people around to various Olympic venues went through the heart of the downtown. This area was also struggling financially and many businesses had already given up and moved or closed so the businesses that were left when the project moved in were just killed off, because there was no planning to help them survive. The project totally cut off vehicular access to the stores. These people were residents of the city and their livelihoods were sacrificed for a two week event. After the Olympics was over and there was a slow economic revival for that downtown area, but for the former shop owners there was no economic revival.
In another city a year before the Olympics all of the apartment landlords were telling their residents their leases would end in June and they could have another one in September. If they wanted to rent the apartment during the Olympics they would have to pay three times the current rental rate. Now these folks were all of the service industry workers who were going to be serving, waiting on, and cleaning rooms, for all of the visitors to the Olympics in a city with marginal public transportation.
The economic costs to being a resident of a host city are very rarely visible to those who watch the games from a distance.
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Aug 15, 2016 9:36 AM
George Lewis
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Susan - It seems for you there is no benefits to project management? I can't think that everything is negative.
Would you decide not having the Olympics opportunities for a country? at long term it has to have a positive benefit. Especially for a STRONG and BEAUTIFUL country as BRAZIL.