Markus KopkoAI Enabler for Project & Program Mgmt | Founder PMotion.ai / The PM
AI Coach| PMotion.aiHamburg, Hamburg, Germany
Dec 15, 2016 12:14 PM
Replying to Thilo Wack
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Hi Markus,
thanks for uploading the map; it's much easier to review than the lists (which is exactly why we use maps, isn't it?). While I agree with Rami and Stéphane that a business case only includes a high level view on risks used to make decisions, I think I know what you try to do by using the unique properties of software based mind maps. I need to think a bit more about this and how I would structure such an approach. I will get back to you latest this weekend.
Regards,
Thilo
Hi Thilo,
yes, that is exactly the reason why we use and why i am a fan of using mind maps and mind mapping. ;)
As a LL i will put the beta version of the map online first next time, before creating the discussion threads.
Can't await your further input on this.
Regards,
Markus
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1 reply by Thilo Wack
Dec 17, 2016 11:20 AM
Thilo Wack
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Hi Markus,
I've been thinking long and hard about it and unfortunately I did not come to a satisfactory solution. You could use map functions like color coding or adding symbols etc. to show what parts of the elaborate risk management branch actually belong to the business case and explain this in the "How to" section. But honestly, I fear that this will not work for a lot of people. So right now I would suggest we be agile, shorten this section of the map as already proposed and deliver value with that iteration. Maybe with some further discussion the next iteration will reveal itself to us.
Regards,
Thilo
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Markus KopkoAI Enabler for Project & Program Mgmt | Founder PMotion.ai / The PM
AI Coach| PMotion.aiHamburg, Hamburg, Germany
Dec 15, 2016 3:03 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Hi Thilo,
You have a point but as I said to Markus, I would only include:
Risk #1
Description
Probability (high level)
Impact (high level)
Hi Rami,
thanks for that; your list is essentially the list of Vincent just without prevention if i am right?!
More or less i have already decided to shortage the list in the BC map to this one, but before do it finally i will wait for Thilo's consideration.
In fact it is no problem to postpone the deeper risk assessment to a later stage. Latest in the "risk management" area we will dive deep in there, right?
Regards,
Markus
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Dec 16, 2016 11:46 AM
Rami Kaibni
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That is correct Markus.
The prevention part is that part that requires the most analysis as you will have to end up with solutions & plans.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 16, 2016 5:28 AM
Replying to Markus Kopko
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Hi Rami,
thanks for that; your list is essentially the list of Vincent just without prevention if i am right?!
More or less i have already decided to shortage the list in the BC map to this one, but before do it finally i will wait for Thilo's consideration.
In fact it is no problem to postpone the deeper risk assessment to a later stage. Latest in the "risk management" area we will dive deep in there, right?
Regards,
Markus
That is correct Markus.
The prevention part is that part that requires the most analysis as you will have to end up with solutions & plans. Saving Changes...
Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Dec 15, 2016 12:25 PM
Replying to Thilo Wack
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@ Rami, @ Stéphane:
Agree with you that the business case is not the place for a detailed risk analysis but should only contain high level information about risks as the BC section about risk is meant to provide information used for making decisions. Now mentally putting myself in the place of the guy who's making such decisions I'd like to know about the top 5 risks (based on risk impact and probability) and the respective risk response strategy (high level, w/o action plan) as these would be part of the assumptions the business case and the cost/benefit analysis is based on.
What's your view on this?
Best,
Thilo
If you're going to list only the top five risks - which is a good idea for the business case - you don't need to show the probability and impact. By definition, these top five risks should be the ones that are the most severe to your organization.
I agree with you, Thilo, that we should give an indication of how, at a high level, we plan on addressing these top five risks: mitigation, transfer, ...
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1 reply by Thilo Wack
Dec 16, 2016 3:07 PM
Thilo Wack
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Stéphane,
agree you do not have to show probability and impact of the Top 5 risks in the business case. But you need to have this information in order to actually prioritize, right? Or would you use a different approach to rank the risks this early in the project?
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Thilo WackHead of Existing Product and Test Lab| optimedTholey-Hasborn, Germany
Dec 16, 2016 1:07 PM
Replying to Stéphane Parent
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If you're going to list only the top five risks - which is a good idea for the business case - you don't need to show the probability and impact. By definition, these top five risks should be the ones that are the most severe to your organization.
I agree with you, Thilo, that we should give an indication of how, at a high level, we plan on addressing these top five risks: mitigation, transfer, ...
Stéphane,
agree you do not have to show probability and impact of the Top 5 risks in the business case. But you need to have this information in order to actually prioritize, right? Or would you use a different approach to rank the risks this early in the project?
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1 reply by Stéphane Parent
Dec 17, 2016 1:03 PM
Stéphane Parent
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That is a bit of a catch-22, Thilo.
Do I wait until risk analysis to start assessing likelihood and impact of risks? Or do I need to do it for the business case risks?
I expect, Thilo, that at the business case, you find yourself with a shorter list of risks than you will when you actually to the risks analysis and assessment. It might be easy to pick out the important ones without undue effort.
Of course, you have to do what you need to do to come up with top risks.
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Thilo WackHead of Existing Product and Test Lab| optimedTholey-Hasborn, Germany
Dec 16, 2016 5:25 AM
Replying to Markus Kopko
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Hi Thilo,
yes, that is exactly the reason why we use and why i am a fan of using mind maps and mind mapping. ;)
As a LL i will put the beta version of the map online first next time, before creating the discussion threads.
Can't await your further input on this.
Regards,
Markus
Hi Markus,
I've been thinking long and hard about it and unfortunately I did not come to a satisfactory solution. You could use map functions like color coding or adding symbols etc. to show what parts of the elaborate risk management branch actually belong to the business case and explain this in the "How to" section. But honestly, I fear that this will not work for a lot of people. So right now I would suggest we be agile, shorten this section of the map as already proposed and deliver value with that iteration. Maybe with some further discussion the next iteration will reveal itself to us.
Regards,
Thilo
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1 reply by Markus Kopko
Dec 19, 2016 6:11 AM
Markus Kopko
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Hi Thilo,
i am with you here, maybe wee need to collect some experience with it and than maybe change it based on the feedback we will get.
I will provide the version 1.0 as a download soon.
Thanks for your help.
Regards,
Markus
Saving Changes...
Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Dec 16, 2016 3:07 PM
Replying to Thilo Wack
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Stéphane,
agree you do not have to show probability and impact of the Top 5 risks in the business case. But you need to have this information in order to actually prioritize, right? Or would you use a different approach to rank the risks this early in the project?
That is a bit of a catch-22, Thilo.
Do I wait until risk analysis to start assessing likelihood and impact of risks? Or do I need to do it for the business case risks?
I expect, Thilo, that at the business case, you find yourself with a shorter list of risks than you will when you actually to the risks analysis and assessment. It might be easy to pick out the important ones without undue effort.
Of course, you have to do what you need to do to come up with top risks. Saving Changes...
Markus KopkoAI Enabler for Project & Program Mgmt | Founder PMotion.ai / The PM
AI Coach| PMotion.aiHamburg, Hamburg, Germany
Dec 17, 2016 11:20 AM
Replying to Thilo Wack
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Hi Markus,
I've been thinking long and hard about it and unfortunately I did not come to a satisfactory solution. You could use map functions like color coding or adding symbols etc. to show what parts of the elaborate risk management branch actually belong to the business case and explain this in the "How to" section. But honestly, I fear that this will not work for a lot of people. So right now I would suggest we be agile, shorten this section of the map as already proposed and deliver value with that iteration. Maybe with some further discussion the next iteration will reveal itself to us.
Regards,
Thilo
Hi Thilo,
i am with you here, maybe wee need to collect some experience with it and than maybe change it based on the feedback we will get.
I will provide the version 1.0 as a download soon.
Thanks for your help.
Regards,
Markus Saving Changes...
Markus KopkoAI Enabler for Project & Program Mgmt | Founder PMotion.ai / The PM
AI Coach| PMotion.aiHamburg, Hamburg, Germany
Version 1.0 of the "review business case" map is now ready to download!
You can access an interactive online version of the “Knowing your Sponsor” map here (or just by clicking on the picture above):