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Igor ZdorovyakDirector of Projects| ImmunovantFair Lawn, Nj, United States
Hi Rami,
I'll give a consultants answer to you question. It depends. It depends on the organizational business strategy decision its capabilities/resources to deliver its product, its service. I've worked in both organizations and if done right both can be successful. You have most of the control if you are vertical organization. You are more flexibility in horizontal organization.
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Mar 08, 2017 1:13 PM
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Hi Igor,
Thanks for your feedback.
Since you've experienced both scenarios, did you value one over the other for any reason ?
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Mar 08, 2017 11:10 AM
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Hi Rami,
I'll give a consultants answer to you question. It depends. It depends on the organizational business strategy decision its capabilities/resources to deliver its product, its service. I've worked in both organizations and if done right both can be successful. You have most of the control if you are vertical organization. You are more flexibility in horizontal organization.
Hi Igor,
Thanks for your feedback.
Since you've experienced both scenarios, did you value one over the other for any reason ? Saving Changes...
Igor ZdorovyakDirector of Projects| ImmunovantFair Lawn, Nj, United States
Hi Rami,
I prefer vertical. In vertical org most of the expertise and knowledge is under one umbrella. In horizontal orgs depending what partnerships, alliances vendors vendors the expertise, processes, work is divided. If the expertise moves out for some reason or if the org doesn't own or even if they own proprietary info the time and money to have it replaced with someone else up to speed with that knowledge is a disadvantage and a risk for that org.
Regards,
Igor
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Mar 08, 2017 6:26 PM
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Great Point of view Igor - Thanks for sharing your opinion. This is exactly what I am looking for.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Mar 08, 2017 4:32 PM
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Hi Rami,
I prefer vertical. In vertical org most of the expertise and knowledge is under one umbrella. In horizontal orgs depending what partnerships, alliances vendors vendors the expertise, processes, work is divided. If the expertise moves out for some reason or if the org doesn't own or even if they own proprietary info the time and money to have it replaced with someone else up to speed with that knowledge is a disadvantage and a risk for that org.
Regards,
Igor
Great Point of view Igor - Thanks for sharing your opinion. This is exactly what I am looking for. Saving Changes...
Ram Narayanan SastryProduct Analyst| Toshiba Medical Systems CorporationNasushiobara-Shi, Tochigi-Ken, Japan
Hi Rami,
Good question. Having worked in organizations Vertically and Horizontally oriented and also one that had a cross between the two, I think each of these structures have their pros and cons and an organization in the long term will need to switch through these structures intelligently to survive.
In my observations, when the key driver of a workforce is discipline and not raw talent, then vertical structures work the best. This structure will drive efficiency and the work force feels more secure in this structure.
But, if the key driver of a workforce is raw talent and creativity, then the vertical structure is very constricting. In such scenarios horizontal structure is more efficient. This structure will increase the chances for people to contribute creatively, but also feel enabled to discuss ideas in a very open-minded manner.
In theory a mixed approach is supposed to marry the benefits of the above two and eliminate the downsides, but in reality the opposite is what happens and I feel that this structure causes more damage than gain.
In today's world, every organization goes through a phase of rapid changes when due to technology changes or geo-political changes an organization needs to change rapidly. In such situations the discipline of a vertical organization helps a lot. On the other hand, as ground changing innovations change the landscape of industry in a very short period of time, organizations need to have the horizontal organization to adopt and innovate.
Most of the big organizations like IBM, Siemens etc. have a certain parts of the organizations vertical while certain other parts are horizontal to cope with this situation.
Finally, my last bite at this is that at the end of the day, the structure is only as effective as the people who drive it. So even if a structure is not most optimal for an organization, if the people driving that structure or managing within that structure are capable, the organization will do just fine!!
Cheers!
Ram
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Mar 09, 2017 12:03 AM
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Great feedback and points Ram ... I really appreciate taking the time to respond in details. This is very valuable information and feedback. Cheers !
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Mar 08, 2017 8:43 PM
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Hi Rami,
Good question. Having worked in organizations Vertically and Horizontally oriented and also one that had a cross between the two, I think each of these structures have their pros and cons and an organization in the long term will need to switch through these structures intelligently to survive.
In my observations, when the key driver of a workforce is discipline and not raw talent, then vertical structures work the best. This structure will drive efficiency and the work force feels more secure in this structure.
But, if the key driver of a workforce is raw talent and creativity, then the vertical structure is very constricting. In such scenarios horizontal structure is more efficient. This structure will increase the chances for people to contribute creatively, but also feel enabled to discuss ideas in a very open-minded manner.
In theory a mixed approach is supposed to marry the benefits of the above two and eliminate the downsides, but in reality the opposite is what happens and I feel that this structure causes more damage than gain.
In today's world, every organization goes through a phase of rapid changes when due to technology changes or geo-political changes an organization needs to change rapidly. In such situations the discipline of a vertical organization helps a lot. On the other hand, as ground changing innovations change the landscape of industry in a very short period of time, organizations need to have the horizontal organization to adopt and innovate.
Most of the big organizations like IBM, Siemens etc. have a certain parts of the organizations vertical while certain other parts are horizontal to cope with this situation.
Finally, my last bite at this is that at the end of the day, the structure is only as effective as the people who drive it. So even if a structure is not most optimal for an organization, if the people driving that structure or managing within that structure are capable, the organization will do just fine!!
Cheers!
Ram
Great feedback and points Ram ... I really appreciate taking the time to respond in details. This is very valuable information and feedback. Cheers ! Saving Changes...
Anonymous
In my personal Experience Vertical Organization is more better as compared to Horizontal However i agree with Mr. Narayanan Comments
"So even if a structure is not most optimal for an organization, if the people driving that structure or managing within that structure are capable, the organization will do just fine!! "
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Mar 09, 2017 9:57 AM
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Thanks for your input Mudassar ... Appreciate it.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
The only thing that matters to answer your question is the need to consider the whole organization from the systemic point of view. Your organization, to survive in the actual world, must be horizontal integrated from the point of view of systemic thinking. That is critical to implement things like Agile. So, the physical structure does not matters. What matters is that you have to achieve low coupling and high cohesion between organizational architecture layers. That is one of the reasons why the business analyst role was created and it is growing fast. I am working from 30 years ago in this type of endeavours.
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Mar 09, 2017 9:58 AM
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Great feedback Sergio. Thanks ! What exactly do you mean by Low Coupling ?