What comes first? Develop Project Charter or Identify Stakeholders?

Thanks for your comments, but unless we factor the Business Analyst in all this, there is no proper response.

If we are talking about project management Project Charter comes first and Stakeholders Identification comes next.

Here is the catch, of course, the PM name (a key stakeholder) comes within the project charter which means someone had to figure out that and other names (other key stakeholders), but these initial names by definition (with no doubt at all) pre-dates the project itself, ie pre-dates the project charter, thus performed with some other magic process which we normally forget that exists: Business Analysis.

That´s what I try to said. Project Charter comes first because the project manager is assigned when the Project Charter is approved. In the real life, you can find lot of different process. For example, assigned project manager and the sponsor is included into the Business Case document most of the times. The point is, there is not an standard for project charter neither for business case as you can find for other documents (i am talking about IEEE standards or similar recognized standards).

Yes, I agree Project Management Project Charter comes first.

Yes, I agree Business Analysis comes before.

There was a reasoning behind my question...

I create a charter first. Unless I know what the project about and why it's being done, I can't be sure which stakeholders are needed.