Deepa KalangiManager, Program Management, Author, Trainer| CVS HealthCharlotte, NC, United States
Sep 07, 2017 9:18 PM
Replying to Deepesh Rammoorthy
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The salaries you mention are pretty less ......At a bare minimum I would expect you to get around $10,000 - $12,000 per month for a PM with 5 years experience and PMP Certification, here in Australia
These numbers are really enticing:-) US is highly dependent on the location, need, role type, certified or not, experience, your presentation etc. So, the range is pretty broad. IMO. Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Sep 08, 2017 7:02 AM
Replying to Markus Kopko
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The PMP can also provide a significant advantage when it comes to salary and earning potential. Among survey respondents to PMI’s Earning Power Salary Survey, (https://goo.gl/1KDfHb ) those with a PMP certification garner a higher salary (20% higher on average) than those without a PMP certification.*
Markus
This survey is a bogus marketing stunt by PMI. There is NO - NO evidence that the PMP leads to a higher salary.
Even on this platform and many others we have asked - did the PMP leads to an increased salary, a bonus, a promotion, or any tangible benefit. Rarely anyone answered with yes.
The salary survey does not address nor consider other factors that might have contributed to the difference in salary.
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1 reply by Stéphane Parent
Sep 09, 2017 1:44 PM
Stéphane Parent
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Those are strong words, Mounir.
How do you know that the PMI study is untrue? Why would PMI put forward something that is a lie?
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Anonymous
Sep 08, 2017 10:15 AM
Replying to Vincent Guerard
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Is the salary base on the PMP certification or on roles and responsibilities of the individual!
Does the PMP certification add a premium to salary?
Vincent
In response to the second question, myself and many others have often posted this question here or in various LinkedIn groups and the answer was almost universal, the PMP did not result in any direct tangible benefits in term of salary, bonus, promotion, etc.
At best, some answered with the following (or something like it), "yes, it helped me do my job better and down the road that could have an impact". Notice the "could have an impact".
Even PMI (outside the bogus salary survey) have never done a study to show that achieving the PMP has led to any benefits for organizations or individuals. On the contrary, even PMI own supported research through BCG, FORRESTER, and others show that knowing standards or individual competence is not enough - what organizations need is to build their Organizational Project Management Systems. Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Sep 08, 2017 11:05 AM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Deepesh,
In Australia, an PM with 5 years of experience gets a salary between 10 K - 12 K ?
Like Stephen said, here in Canada, an experienced PM with 10 Years of experience gets a salary of $9,000 CAN per month before tax which will end up in the range of $6,500 CAN after tax.
I worked in the gulf region and china as well and the salaries there are about the same range.
Rami
In the Gulf the salaries are not in 10 to $12k. There are huge differences here based on industry, country, and nationalities.
We have seen PM with as low as $3 K and up to $20 or even $30k Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Mounir,
I never said the salaries are in the range of 10K - 12K. I was referring to the range I've mentioned which is around thr $6,500 (On Average) for a PM with 5 years of experience.
Of course this number differs based on the factors you've mentioned besides of course the size of the company and the years of experience but I doubt there is a PM who has 5 Years of experience and his salary is above $10,000 K unless things changed significantly in the past 5 years. Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Sep 09, 2017 2:58 AM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Mounir,
I never said the salaries are in the range of 10K - 12K. I was referring to the range I've mentioned which is around thr $6,500 (On Average) for a PM with 5 years of experience.
Of course this number differs based on the factors you've mentioned besides of course the size of the company and the years of experience but I doubt there is a PM who has 5 Years of experience and his salary is above $10,000 K unless things changed significantly in the past 5 years.
My apology
I thought you were confirming Deepash numbers. Saving Changes...
Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Those are strong words, Mounir.
How do you know that the PMI study is untrue? Why would PMI put forward something that is a lie? Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Sep 09, 2017 1:44 PM
Replying to Stéphane Parent
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Those are strong words, Mounir.
How do you know that the PMI study is untrue? Why would PMI put forward something that is a lie?
I did not say "untrue" what I said it is not a true indicator of the PMP value. This is why when it is marketing bogus and someone challenged PMI openly on it - and they did change the language used. Unfortunately, I do not have the reference handy at this time.
The PMI Salary survey looks at salaries of people and they show the difference between those who have PMP and those who have not. By itself, that does not mean the PMP is the contributor for the difference in salary. They could be many other factors, and of course, include the PMP.
The survey does not say or prove that obtaining the PMP get you 15 or 20% difference in salary. Read the survey and tell me if you can find a conclusive statement about this fact.
What contribute to salary differences? Many things
- PMP is a factor
- Maybe other certifications
- Maybe those who get the PMP and other certification are those who work on developing themselves more than the average person
- etc.
The point is: after 33 years of the PMP; show me a single study by PMI or others that clearly show the PMP is (1) direct contributor to the performance of individual and organizations and (2) direct contributor to salary increase, bonus, or promotion?
Do you know of any studies?
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1 reply by Stéphane Parent
Sep 10, 2017 6:00 AM
Stéphane Parent
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You are correct, Mounir. You did not say untrue. You did call it bogus which may not be the same as untrue but certainly feels the same.
I agree that the study does not show any clearly defined salary difference for any certification. I have yet to see one in over twenty years of project management.
To call it a marketing stunt seems to imply more mischief on the part of PMI than perhaps there is?
I certainly have not found the study to be very useful for the purpose in this discussion. I thought it was more useful as an indicator of project management need in the world.
It's always nice to get your perspective in these discussions, Mounir. Take care.
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