Will PribleDirector| CoastalFrankfort, Ky, United States
I'm curious if anyone knows someone who was certified and was brought before PMI for violating ethics, etc. in project management? I was just curious what happens because it was part of the exam prep and now that more eyes are on PMI, I would expect accountability to increase as well. Saving Changes...
I would figure over the years it must've happened to someone. As for what happened, I'm sure it probably depends on the case and how severe of a violation. I'm certain that PMI can revoke a certification but I doubt there'll be hard core numbers there about if it's ever happened or any details of it would be made public. Saving Changes...
MARK A ANNUNZIATA, SrVP/EXPERT CONSULTANCY TO THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY| ROMAN STRUCTURES, INC WELLINGTON FLDammam, Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia
William-
This is a very interesting question, I also would like to see some anonymous tales of Lessons Learned from PMI.
In my opinion, the standards from PMI and demands are not high. If one works in my arena- Overseas Construction- you would be exposed to some very bad actors and bribery attempts are extremely commonplace- both to PM's and staff.
Can anyone obtain some examples from PMI?
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There's probably low numbers volunteering information about such bribery and unethical practices for fear of tainting their own reputation being associated with these projects. PMI standards are based on Western practices, and as a result would technically render 1000's of PM's "unethical" in countries such as the Philippines, where I managed many projects and never once saw a project that didn't involve someone, some department or some company that wasn't in the pay-off industry. Rather than look at penalties for such discretions, perhaps there should be more focus on changing the status quo. PMI is about supporting and certifying PM's, and this includes PM's that are surrounded by dubious practices, and need help to navigate ethically through an unethical environment. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
That is the problem with project management: It is not a profession, formally speaking. The PMI Code of Conduct is there because is one of the requirements for an organization when the organization wants to create certifications. But if the code is not actionable then the profession is not a profession, is a practice or discipline. To understand that take a look to medicine for example. You can act against a doctor just in case of bad practice inside the justice. It is not the same with project management. Then, it is not a profession.
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Oct 12, 2017 8:46 AM
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Agreed - the Code's only "teeth" are cancelling memberships or stripping one of designations. The former has marginal impact while the latter may have "some" impact depending on the company someone is working for. Perhaps we first need our own equivalent of the Hippocratic Oath (of course, with some of the PMs I've met, calling it the "Hypocratic Oath" might be better!)?
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Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
It would be interesting to understand the need for transparency against the need for privacy.
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Oct 12, 2017 8:47 AM
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I'm sure Homeland Security has some ideas about that, Stéphane!
That is the problem with project management: It is not a profession, formally speaking. The PMI Code of Conduct is there because is one of the requirements for an organization when the organization wants to create certifications. But if the code is not actionable then the profession is not a profession, is a practice or discipline. To understand that take a look to medicine for example. You can act against a doctor just in case of bad practice inside the justice. It is not the same with project management. Then, it is not a profession.
Agreed - the Code's only "teeth" are cancelling memberships or stripping one of designations. The former has marginal impact while the latter may have "some" impact depending on the company someone is working for. Perhaps we first need our own equivalent of the Hippocratic Oath (of course, with some of the PMs I've met, calling it the "Hypocratic Oath" might be better!)?
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