Anish AbrahamPrivacy Program Manager| University of WashingtonAuburn, Wa, United States
If you work on a project where nothing has ever gone wrong, that means either you are doing something that's too easy or things are going wrong and you are ignoring them. What is your opinion? Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Dec 22, 2017 8:22 PM
Replying to Anish Abraham
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Sergio, I understand what you are talking about.
I was just saying that bad things can happen during a project and as a PM nothing can be done to change them after the fact. Instead, how the team responds to adversity may be the larger factor in project success. Even a perfect team and plan can go out of control with just a push on a wrong direction.
As a PM we must to prevent, not to cure. People paid us to stay in control of the project and prevention is the way to show it. There is not a prefect plan or a perfect team. That is my opinion based on two things: 1-perfect is always the enemy of the good. 2-perfect is a subjective matter (as good,I know). BUT is a project manager does not show to stay in control she/he must be fire from work. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
I fully disagree with this line of thinking: things can go wrong. Is the worst line of thinking you can take into your life. I do not want to bother but take a look to quantum physic (real physic, not "meta physic") and you will understand why. Saving Changes...
Actually it's the best line of thinking to expect and prepare for things to go wrong, that is the basis of risk management, so yes we are in total disagreement on that one. As we grow up we learn by our mistakes and from things that go wrong, and hopefully mitigate/avoid/eliminate these events; this carries forward to the project management profession. If an asteroid hits the earth, yes it's not wrong because the universe isn't right or wrong, but if an astronaut was orbiting the earth and saw it destroyed by an asteroid, their first words might just be: "Houston, something went wrong...Houston?"
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2 replies by Anish Abraham and Sergio Luis Conte
Dec 23, 2017 4:37 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Sorry if I did not understand your statement. English is not my native language. Is not correct to say "things go wrong is the basis of risk management". Not at all. Risk management is about "what if" not about "what if things go wrong". If to perform risk management your like of thinking is "what if things go wrong" then you will fail.
Dec 23, 2017 5:44 PM
Anish Abraham
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I think taking responsibility during failures is always a growth opportunity. Also, the flexibility and the ability to regain control of the project are the best attributes that makes a PM to deal with the unexpected problem, and it's part of risk management, This is my opinion.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Dec 23, 2017 4:12 PM
Replying to Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Actually it's the best line of thinking to expect and prepare for things to go wrong, that is the basis of risk management, so yes we are in total disagreement on that one. As we grow up we learn by our mistakes and from things that go wrong, and hopefully mitigate/avoid/eliminate these events; this carries forward to the project management profession. If an asteroid hits the earth, yes it's not wrong because the universe isn't right or wrong, but if an astronaut was orbiting the earth and saw it destroyed by an asteroid, their first words might just be: "Houston, something went wrong...Houston?"
Sorry if I did not understand your statement. English is not my native language. Is not correct to say "things go wrong is the basis of risk management". Not at all. Risk management is about "what if" not about "what if things go wrong". If to perform risk management your like of thinking is "what if things go wrong" then you will fail.
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Dec 23, 2017 5:21 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Yes, preparing for things that may go wrong is part of risk management, i'm not sure how else to articulate that, so we can put it down to differences in language.
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Anish AbrahamPrivacy Program Manager| University of WashingtonAuburn, Wa, United States
Dec 23, 2017 2:06 AM
Replying to Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Things will always go wrong, that's what's right with life.
Thanks Sante, for your response. Saving Changes...
Anish AbrahamPrivacy Program Manager| University of WashingtonAuburn, Wa, United States
Dec 23, 2017 7:13 AM
Replying to Vincent Guerard
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Anish,
If everything went has plan, who would need a PM. The first step is to identify risk and manage them, that is the proactive part.
Once something append that impact the project is act on it, that is the reactive part.
In the rare case where a project follow planning from start to finish you are lucky or you didn't see something!
Vincent, I agree on this.
When things go wrong we have to make sure to have a tangible understanding of the problem and it's impact. Then the PM should be able to manage it. Saving Changes...
Sorry if I did not understand your statement. English is not my native language. Is not correct to say "things go wrong is the basis of risk management". Not at all. Risk management is about "what if" not about "what if things go wrong". If to perform risk management your like of thinking is "what if things go wrong" then you will fail.
Yes, preparing for things that may go wrong is part of risk management, i'm not sure how else to articulate that, so we can put it down to differences in language. Saving Changes...
Anish AbrahamPrivacy Program Manager| University of WashingtonAuburn, Wa, United States
Dec 23, 2017 5:07 AM
Replying to Mansoor Mustafa
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It is very rare that your are doing projects and nothing go wrong. Yes agree with other colleagues that term wrong has wide preceptions. A project in an ideal enviornment do'nt go wrong which not availble in real world
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Anish AbrahamPrivacy Program Manager| University of WashingtonAuburn, Wa, United States
Dec 23, 2017 4:12 PM
Replying to Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Actually it's the best line of thinking to expect and prepare for things to go wrong, that is the basis of risk management, so yes we are in total disagreement on that one. As we grow up we learn by our mistakes and from things that go wrong, and hopefully mitigate/avoid/eliminate these events; this carries forward to the project management profession. If an asteroid hits the earth, yes it's not wrong because the universe isn't right or wrong, but if an astronaut was orbiting the earth and saw it destroyed by an asteroid, their first words might just be: "Houston, something went wrong...Houston?"
I think taking responsibility during failures is always a growth opportunity. Also, the flexibility and the ability to regain control of the project are the best attributes that makes a PM to deal with the unexpected problem, and it's part of risk management, This is my opinion. Saving Changes...
Anish AbrahamPrivacy Program Manager| University of WashingtonAuburn, Wa, United States
Dec 23, 2017 6:43 AM
Replying to Drake Settsu
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You can avoid issues that can impact a project timeline by micro managing the team when you feel they are not providing a solid status on a deliverable. That will send a message to them to be more accountable and not just assuming they are on schedule.
Things still can go wrong, but a least you made an effort to mitigate the potential problem.
Thanks for your response, Drake.
I agree making a effort to mitigate the risk is very important. Saving Changes...