George MonnatTechnical Delivery Manager| Kapsch TrafficCom North AmericaAustin, Tx, United States
I studied the PMBOK 5 for my exam. I purchased a PMBOK 6 and looked through it to find differences, but I haven't had the time and motivation yet to scour through v6 and really learn it, mainly because I'm not being tested on it (and the gray pages give me a headache).
Do you still think in terms of the PMBOK version with which you tested, or have you learned and incorporated into practice each new version as it's been published? Saving Changes...
George MonnatTechnical Delivery Manager| Kapsch TrafficCom North AmericaAustin, Tx, United States
Apr 17, 2018 5:04 PM
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Agile Practice Guide is about software domain. The right reference about all related to Agile practices is inside the PMBOK Guide but not into the Agile Practice Guide.
Sergio, the Agile Practice Guide is about all knowledge work using agile methodologies, not focused on software. They explicitly state that they are expanding agile methodologies beyond software and, "into non-software development environments." Of course they do have a lot of software examples (and it's difficult to concentrate on the gray pages).
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Apr 17, 2018 6:35 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Sorry but that is not correct. Is the mistake that PMI have made. In fact, if you see the Agile practice guide you will find an example related to health domain that was provided by me. I particpated in both. The Agile practice was created with the Agile Alliance (totally focused on software) and was not published by public reviewing. That was a big mistake. Agile practice guide stated that the basement for Agile is the Manifesto which is not right As the name stated the Manifesto is for software. Agile practices started to much time before and Agile and agility was "formaly" born in 1990. I debated this a lot when I was part of both deliverables creation. If you take a look to the PMBOK Guide you will find that there is some discrepances with the pratice guide. It is sad for me that the PMI has contributed to the general confusion.
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George MonnatTechnical Delivery Manager| Kapsch TrafficCom North AmericaAustin, Tx, United States
Apr 17, 2018 5:31 PM
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George, the PMBOK guide is really a good guide I would agree to read any new version to stay on top of good practices It is a good knowledge and good reference book like dictionary.
Riyadh, thank you for that. Saving Changes...
George MonnatTechnical Delivery Manager| Kapsch TrafficCom North AmericaAustin, Tx, United States
Apr 17, 2018 5:41 PM
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This is one of the side benefits of teaching and mentoring PMP candidates - you have to stay current with new editions :-) !
Kiron
Kiron, that's a great point, thank you. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Apr 17, 2018 6:20 PM
Replying to George Monnat
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Sergio, the Agile Practice Guide is about all knowledge work using agile methodologies, not focused on software. They explicitly state that they are expanding agile methodologies beyond software and, "into non-software development environments." Of course they do have a lot of software examples (and it's difficult to concentrate on the gray pages).
Sorry but that is not correct. Is the mistake that PMI have made. In fact, if you see the Agile practice guide you will find an example related to health domain that was provided by me. I particpated in both. The Agile practice was created with the Agile Alliance (totally focused on software) and was not published by public reviewing. That was a big mistake. Agile practice guide stated that the basement for Agile is the Manifesto which is not right As the name stated the Manifesto is for software. Agile practices started to much time before and Agile and agility was "formaly" born in 1990. I debated this a lot when I was part of both deliverables creation. If you take a look to the PMBOK Guide you will find that there is some discrepances with the pratice guide. It is sad for me that the PMI has contributed to the general confusion.
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1 reply by George Monnat
Apr 17, 2018 6:42 PM
George Monnat
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That's odd, thank you for pointing that out. It also states on the back cover that it's for, "diverse fields such as manufacturing, education and healthcare (among others)..."
I really enjoy the PMI-ACP Exam Prep book which is not exclusively software but focused on all knowledge work. From reading through the Agile Practice Guide I thought it was the same.
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George MonnatTechnical Delivery Manager| Kapsch TrafficCom North AmericaAustin, Tx, United States
Apr 17, 2018 6:35 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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Sorry but that is not correct. Is the mistake that PMI have made. In fact, if you see the Agile practice guide you will find an example related to health domain that was provided by me. I particpated in both. The Agile practice was created with the Agile Alliance (totally focused on software) and was not published by public reviewing. That was a big mistake. Agile practice guide stated that the basement for Agile is the Manifesto which is not right As the name stated the Manifesto is for software. Agile practices started to much time before and Agile and agility was "formaly" born in 1990. I debated this a lot when I was part of both deliverables creation. If you take a look to the PMBOK Guide you will find that there is some discrepances with the pratice guide. It is sad for me that the PMI has contributed to the general confusion.
That's odd, thank you for pointing that out. It also states on the back cover that it's for, "diverse fields such as manufacturing, education and healthcare (among others)..."
I really enjoy the PMI-ACP Exam Prep book which is not exclusively software but focused on all knowledge work. From reading through the Agile Practice Guide I thought it was the same.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Apr 17, 2018 6:47 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Just to comment, I am saying that because organizations loose the opportunity to use Agile because they think is related to software only or because they think it is about to use a method only.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Apr 17, 2018 6:42 PM
Replying to George Monnat
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That's odd, thank you for pointing that out. It also states on the back cover that it's for, "diverse fields such as manufacturing, education and healthcare (among others)..."
I really enjoy the PMI-ACP Exam Prep book which is not exclusively software but focused on all knowledge work. From reading through the Agile Practice Guide I thought it was the same.
Just to comment, I am saying that because organizations loose the opportunity to use Agile because they think is related to software only or because they think it is about to use a method only.
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2 replies by George Monnat and Rami Kaibni
Apr 17, 2018 6:48 PM
George Monnat
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I understand and agree, thanks.
Apr 17, 2018 7:48 PM
Rami Kaibni
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You are right Sergio and I was one of the people who was thinking like that until I did some digging into the Agile Field to discover that it can be applied to any industry, not specifically software but of course most suitable for software.
I noticed the Agile Guide is diverse, it does not 100% concentrate on software and that grabbed my interest to pursue it after having around 4 years of experience in an Agile Environment.
Evne scrum, you might not be able to apply it for a whole construction project but you definitely can apply it to sections of the project (Let's called them sub-proojects).
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George MonnatTechnical Delivery Manager| Kapsch TrafficCom North AmericaAustin, Tx, United States
Apr 17, 2018 6:47 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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Just to comment, I am saying that because organizations loose the opportunity to use Agile because they think is related to software only or because they think it is about to use a method only.
Know that - "Change is the only constant life", recognise it, move on and enjoy. In my opinion, it is important to unlearn and learn all the time. I have been going through 6th edition, and I suggest the same for you too.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Apr 17, 2018 6:47 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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Just to comment, I am saying that because organizations loose the opportunity to use Agile because they think is related to software only or because they think it is about to use a method only.
You are right Sergio and I was one of the people who was thinking like that until I did some digging into the Agile Field to discover that it can be applied to any industry, not specifically software but of course most suitable for software.
I noticed the Agile Guide is diverse, it does not 100% concentrate on software and that grabbed my interest to pursue it after having around 4 years of experience in an Agile Environment.
Evne scrum, you might not be able to apply it for a whole construction project but you definitely can apply it to sections of the project (Let's called them sub-proojects). Saving Changes...
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