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Hi all – I’m new to the PMI site, new to the concept of getting PMP or CAPM certified, but not at all new to project management. I’ve been a senior executive and project management professional for over 30 years with over 50,000 hours of PM experience in the trenches.

I never took a course, nor have I sought certification. I learned on the job, working with hundreds of colleagues, utilizing SDLC, Waterfall, Agile, DevSecOps, and hybrid methods.

I have  worked across multiple industries spending the last 23 years managing the end-to-end project lifecycles for over 1000 technical projects from simple to the complex, from website development to mobile/ web applications, from SaaS application development to business-critical Enterprise platforms and software suites, from IT transformation to process/business transformation – and all points in-between.

Earlier in my career, I was senior project manager on large-scale entertainment, advertising, film and television projects for all the major networks and production companies.  

I currently work in the pharmaceutical, healthcare, life sciences industries with earlier  stints in vertically oriented businesses including consumer luxury products, gaming and electronics, as well as the consulting industry. I have worked with hundreds of stakeholders and clients across multi-disciplinary, cross-functional teams and heavily siloed business practices all over the world.  

Do I need a PMP or CAPM certification? Can I leverage my experience towards getting a certificate without taking the requisite coursework and spending time that I simply do not have?

As I am always seeking PM work, I see PMP certification as a “preferred requirement” more often than not. And I feel that I may not even be considered for these projects without one.
Please advise.

What are my options?
 
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Keith Novak Tukwila, Wa, United States
You definitely shouldn't bother with the CAPM certification as that is oriented towards entry level PMs. I took the PM exam at about 20 years experience and there wasn't anything that I was not very familiar with other than the PMI taxonomy for PM related activities. I got a PMP certification because I believe it makes my experience more portable by demonstrating in know the industry standard methods instead of just how we did things at my former employers.

Your credentials far exceed what is required to earn a PMP, however that doesn't mean you will pass a resume screening program or HR employee deciding which to pass on to the hiring manager and which end up in the round file. I have been hired for jobs where PMP wasn't mentioned at all, but where I later found out that it was indeed part of the filtering process.
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2 replies by Esin Nikolaev and Peter Ronick
Jun 06, 2024 8:10 PM
Peter Ronick
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Hi Keith - I appreciate the information, your perspective, and guidance on this. There is much to consider.
Jun 07, 2024 12:15 PM
Esin Nikolaev
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Completely agree!
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Peter, I do agree with Keith. You definitely should go the PMP directly and not bother with the CAPM. More or less, the study material for both exams is the same but the exam is different where it is scenario and experience based for the PMP and knowledge based for the CAPM.

As part of the application, you should complete 35 educational hours (a course) and you can take a self-paced course online and complete it at your own pace. Here is what I recommend you do:

1) Read through the Exam Content Outline (ECO), PMBOK 6th Edition (Including the Agile Extension as lots of questions are Agile / Hybrid based) and then read the PMBOK 7th edition (it is a small book). Alternatively, you can read through the ECO, PMBOK 7th edition and then go through the new Process Groups Practice Guide.

2) Go through Rita Mulchay’s Exam Prep book, I think its 11th edition now, but double check. This is one of the best resources for exam preparation.

3) After you are done, purchase the Simulator Package through PM Prep Cast and practice as much as you can. This is a great simulator and resource for questions that mimic the real exam and will boost your confidence the more you practice.

4) If you want a course to fulfill your 35 Hours then check Joseph Phillips on Udemy. He is a PMI ATP and great instructor or check out PMI's self-paced course in the PMI Store.

Hope this helps - Let me know if you have further questions - Good Luck!
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1 reply by Peter Ronick
Jun 06, 2024 8:17 PM
Peter Ronick
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Hi Rami - Thanks for your guidance and recommendations.

I have the PMBOK 6th Edition, which is already a bear of a book. Now I just have to find the time to complete 35 hours of coursework around a very busy schedule. I'm not looking for any shortcuts but it would be great if there was a quicker way, given my experience.

I'll reach out to you to you if I have any questions.

And I appreciate everyone's help in this forum.

Peter
Jun 06, 2024 5:37 PM
Replying to Keith Novak
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You definitely shouldn't bother with the CAPM certification as that is oriented towards entry level PMs. I took the PM exam at about 20 years experience and there wasn't anything that I was not very familiar with other than the PMI taxonomy for PM related activities. I got a PMP certification because I believe it makes my experience more portable by demonstrating in know the industry standard methods instead of just how we did things at my former employers.

Your credentials far exceed what is required to earn a PMP, however that doesn't mean you will pass a resume screening program or HR employee deciding which to pass on to the hiring manager and which end up in the round file. I have been hired for jobs where PMP wasn't mentioned at all, but where I later found out that it was indeed part of the filtering process.
Hi Keith - I appreciate the information, your perspective, and guidance on this. There is much to consider.
Jun 06, 2024 7:14 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Peter, I do agree with Keith. You definitely should go the PMP directly and not bother with the CAPM. More or less, the study material for both exams is the same but the exam is different where it is scenario and experience based for the PMP and knowledge based for the CAPM.

As part of the application, you should complete 35 educational hours (a course) and you can take a self-paced course online and complete it at your own pace. Here is what I recommend you do:

1) Read through the Exam Content Outline (ECO), PMBOK 6th Edition (Including the Agile Extension as lots of questions are Agile / Hybrid based) and then read the PMBOK 7th edition (it is a small book). Alternatively, you can read through the ECO, PMBOK 7th edition and then go through the new Process Groups Practice Guide.

2) Go through Rita Mulchay’s Exam Prep book, I think its 11th edition now, but double check. This is one of the best resources for exam preparation.

3) After you are done, purchase the Simulator Package through PM Prep Cast and practice as much as you can. This is a great simulator and resource for questions that mimic the real exam and will boost your confidence the more you practice.

4) If you want a course to fulfill your 35 Hours then check Joseph Phillips on Udemy. He is a PMI ATP and great instructor or check out PMI's self-paced course in the PMI Store.

Hope this helps - Let me know if you have further questions - Good Luck!
Hi Rami - Thanks for your guidance and recommendations.

I have the PMBOK 6th Edition, which is already a bear of a book. Now I just have to find the time to complete 35 hours of coursework around a very busy schedule. I'm not looking for any shortcuts but it would be great if there was a quicker way, given my experience.

I'll reach out to you to you if I have any questions.

And I appreciate everyone's help in this forum.

Peter
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Aleksandar Vukovic Agile Project Manager| Toyota Motor Corporation Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Peter, you don't actually need to DO the 35hrs of coursework, you can just let a Udemy course run for 35hrs and get the certificate for it :)



But, in case you need to freshen up the foundations then the 35hrs structured courses are a great way to do it.



As some of my more experienced colleagues mentioned, the exam can be a bit hard for someone with too much experience as the real world project management can differ from what the PMI theory preaches and requires to be used in the exam.



Good luck :)

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1 reply by Peter Ronick
Jun 07, 2024 2:11 PM
Peter Ronick
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Thank you, Aleksandar. Good suggestion.
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Esin Nikolaev Senior Project Manager| Capgemini America Inc. New York, United States
Jun 06, 2024 5:37 PM
Replying to Keith Novak
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You definitely shouldn't bother with the CAPM certification as that is oriented towards entry level PMs. I took the PM exam at about 20 years experience and there wasn't anything that I was not very familiar with other than the PMI taxonomy for PM related activities. I got a PMP certification because I believe it makes my experience more portable by demonstrating in know the industry standard methods instead of just how we did things at my former employers.

Your credentials far exceed what is required to earn a PMP, however that doesn't mean you will pass a resume screening program or HR employee deciding which to pass on to the hiring manager and which end up in the round file. I have been hired for jobs where PMP wasn't mentioned at all, but where I later found out that it was indeed part of the filtering process.
Completely agree!
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1 reply by Peter Ronick
Jun 07, 2024 2:11 PM
Peter Ronick
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I appreciate the input.
Jun 06, 2024 11:29 PM
Replying to Aleksandar Vukovic
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Peter, you don't actually need to DO the 35hrs of coursework, you can just let a Udemy course run for 35hrs and get the certificate for it :)



But, in case you need to freshen up the foundations then the 35hrs structured courses are a great way to do it.



As some of my more experienced colleagues mentioned, the exam can be a bit hard for someone with too much experience as the real world project management can differ from what the PMI theory preaches and requires to be used in the exam.



Good luck :)

Thank you, Aleksandar. Good suggestion.
Jun 07, 2024 12:15 PM
Replying to Esin Nikolaev
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Completely agree!
I appreciate the input.

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