Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Sorry Raju, but PMP certification is practice oriented. In the last years the PMI has converted close to 100% the questions to situational questions so to solve them you need to have practical experience. I was part of that. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
I agree with Sergio - PMP is very much practice oriented and since i just took the exam in January, I can confirm that it depends on your practice and experience. Saving Changes...
Andrea ToppsSenior Project/Program Manager| DirecTVSaint Louis, Mo, United States
I wish there was as much assistance as there is now...as to when I took my exam. It was over 10 years ago. There wasn't too much you could do besides study back then. Saving Changes...
Frankly speaking, I don't have an idea on other certifications in project management than PMP certification.
PMP Exam is a test for general practices which can be used for majority of application areas. In case that PMI intends to change exam contents to more practice specific, PMI might need to introduce certifications for specific domains like PMI-PBA and PMI-ACP instead of PMP certification. It might be so called "Pmi-Construction", "Pmi-Consultation", "Pmi-Health Care" and so on.
I believe it might come true in the future as the application areas expand more specific or in detail and as it might be hard to publish the project management practice for common use of majority of application areas.
Regards,
Park
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1 reply by Raju Rao
Jun 29, 2016 4:12 AM
Raju Rao
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Dear Park,
Valid point. I also feel that sooner or later this could be one of the workable solutions - to have domain based certification beyond the basic . Already , this is being done by large corporate organizations where they have their internal certification customized to needs ,But since , every organization is not large or may not have an internal academy , professional bodies should ideally step in ,This can be done in collaboration with other domain based professional organizations e.g IEEE,American Inst of Chem Engrs,ASME etc
I took the PMP exam even before Andrea. I suspect it has changed quite a lot. Saving Changes...
Maryam EidChief Information Systems Development| Survey and Land Registration BureauHidd, Bahrain
I agree with all comments above, to pass exam you need to practice project management and have experience. Saving Changes...
Raju RaoFounder & Principal| Xtraplus Learning & ConsultingChennai, Tn, India
Thank you for all your comments .
I notice that the comments so far have focused more on the exam. We are looking at situations beyond 'getting certified' .What value does a certification have in improving project management practice - project delivery ,outcomes ,organizational objectives etc?
Of course , some experience component is built in while answering questions and this aspect has been improved upon by PMI . But is this good enough ? What is the view of professionals or organizations towards certification ? Quite often ,you hear a statement "that just because one is certified it does not assure that project outcomes or objectives have a good chance of success ".The link between the two is still not palpable. The gap has to be addressed so that we are able to get an assurance that certified professionals will be able to deliver with a reasonable chance of success .
Various professional PM bodies ( including PMI ) and large corporate organizations have addressed this aspect in various ways.....
- Peer review
- 360 degree feedback
- Face to face or telephonic Interviews by SMEs prior to certification
- Additional domain based courses/certification within an organization e.g IBM, Infosys etc
- Submission of Paper
Competency can be considered in three parts , Attitude ,Skills & Knowledge . Most certification address predominantly the last i.e knowledge. In this context ,we can learn and benchmark with more established professions who have a built in practice component . example we cannot think of an eye surgeon without the ability to do cataract surgery or a pilot who needs to have minimum flying hours to get a license to fly .
Granted , the PM profession is relatively young compared to others but if we have to manage large public projects with huge funds and if these have to manned by certified project managers , then we need to have a level of assurance .Systems and structure for these have to be developed by professional project management bodies in the larger interest of the community and society.
The survey and the debate on this subject is therefore wider and not limited to 'getting certified '. Saving Changes...
Raju RaoFounder & Principal| Xtraplus Learning & ConsultingChennai, Tn, India
Jun 28, 2016 1:58 PM
Replying to Sungjoon Park
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Dear Raju,
Thank you for your initiative.
Frankly speaking, I don't have an idea on other certifications in project management than PMP certification.
PMP Exam is a test for general practices which can be used for majority of application areas. In case that PMI intends to change exam contents to more practice specific, PMI might need to introduce certifications for specific domains like PMI-PBA and PMI-ACP instead of PMP certification. It might be so called "Pmi-Construction", "Pmi-Consultation", "Pmi-Health Care" and so on.
I believe it might come true in the future as the application areas expand more specific or in detail and as it might be hard to publish the project management practice for common use of majority of application areas.
Regards,
Park
Dear Park,
Valid point. I also feel that sooner or later this could be one of the workable solutions - to have domain based certification beyond the basic . Already , this is being done by large corporate organizations where they have their internal certification customized to needs ,But since , every organization is not large or may not have an internal academy , professional bodies should ideally step in ,This can be done in collaboration with other domain based professional organizations e.g IEEE,American Inst of Chem Engrs,ASME etc Saving Changes...
Even if I agree that to pass the exam it's usefull (and required, of course) to have experience and not only studied knowledge, I felt that more for my CPRE certification than for my PMP exam. On the other hand, I strongly disagree that after certification exam, PMP is headed to practice. What is my point? The last PMI change regarding PDU collection rules for recertification lowered the max allowed PDUs for practicing in favour of educational PDUs. As I agree with the triangle and the strategic shift that's reflected in that triangle, I regret the lowering of partice recognition. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Raju: project management is not a profession. No matter people work on it in a professional manner. Saving Changes...
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