Deepa KalangiManager, Program Management, Author, Trainer| CVS HealthCharlotte, NC, United States
I have seen very clear content on Agile concepts, the Agile Scrum Model etc built into the new version of PMBOK. Agile does not have a formal role for a PM in its methodology, yet many companies hire people with titles "Agile Project Managers". What is the expectation of this role? There is not one formally defined by the Agile methodology and I was curious to read from PMBOK6 on the same topic. But did not find anything clear and more formally defined. Saving Changes...
Just to clarify the point (at least my comment. I have the opportunity to work in the new PMBOK and all related standards with focus on Agile and Business Analysis). All I will write you can read inside the guides and standards. 1-Agile is a practice. You have other practices like Lean, Six Sigma, etc. 2-Project management is a profession (for me a pseudo-profession but it is a matter of other debate). To perform project management you can take a way: PMI´s way, GPM´s way, etc. 3-Project are started to create something then you need a process to do that (formal and informal) usually named life cycle. 4-You have life cycle models (only two: predictive and adaptive), you have life cycle process based on those models (iterative, sequential, waterfall, etc), you have methods based on those life cycle process (SDLC, V, Spiral, Scrum, DSDM, etc) and at the top of the pyramid you have tools that supports the methods (any type of tools). So, you can perform project management using any type of life cycle process and/or method and/or tool following some way l. For example, in the organization where I am working today, the same project manager is manging at the same time a project using waterfall and a project using Scrum. At the same time, in parallel. Then, you can infer why talk about Agile PM has no sense. In fact, it jeopardizes the work of people that are working as project manager and most of people that are trying to get a new job as project manager.
How would you consider when to use PM or Agile? would you consider being based on experience? based on the type of project? type of result?
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Sep 29, 2017 5:21 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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The use of a practice is because to solve a problem. To decide about it you have to make an impact analysis. That is named "needs analysis" inside the PMI´s Business Analysis Guide.PM (project management) is totally independent to be used with practices like Lean, Agile, Six Sigma, etc. I mean, you can use project management following the PMI´s PMBOK Guide and at the same time to apply Agile practice.
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Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Sep 29, 2017 9:52 AM
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Just to clarify the point (at least my comment. I have the opportunity to work in the new PMBOK and all related standards with focus on Agile and Business Analysis). All I will write you can read inside the guides and standards. 1-Agile is a practice. You have other practices like Lean, Six Sigma, etc. 2-Project management is a profession (for me a pseudo-profession but it is a matter of other debate). To perform project management you can take a way: PMI´s way, GPM´s way, etc. 3-Project are started to create something then you need a process to do that (formal and informal) usually named life cycle. 4-You have life cycle models (only two: predictive and adaptive), you have life cycle process based on those models (iterative, sequential, waterfall, etc), you have methods based on those life cycle process (SDLC, V, Spiral, Scrum, DSDM, etc) and at the top of the pyramid you have tools that supports the methods (any type of tools). So, you can perform project management using any type of life cycle process and/or method and/or tool following some way l. For example, in the organization where I am working today, the same project manager is manging at the same time a project using waterfall and a project using Scrum. At the same time, in parallel. Then, you can infer why talk about Agile PM has no sense. In fact, it jeopardizes the work of people that are working as project manager and most of people that are trying to get a new job as project manager.
You could say, Sergio, that the project manager is agile because he can switch between predictive and adaptive frameworks! :)
Just to clarify the point (at least my comment. I have the opportunity to work in the new PMBOK and all related standards with focus on Agile and Business Analysis). All I will write you can read inside the guides and standards. 1-Agile is a practice. You have other practices like Lean, Six Sigma, etc. 2-Project management is a profession (for me a pseudo-profession but it is a matter of other debate). To perform project management you can take a way: PMI´s way, GPM´s way, etc. 3-Project are started to create something then you need a process to do that (formal and informal) usually named life cycle. 4-You have life cycle models (only two: predictive and adaptive), you have life cycle process based on those models (iterative, sequential, waterfall, etc), you have methods based on those life cycle process (SDLC, V, Spiral, Scrum, DSDM, etc) and at the top of the pyramid you have tools that supports the methods (any type of tools). So, you can perform project management using any type of life cycle process and/or method and/or tool following some way l. For example, in the organization where I am working today, the same project manager is manging at the same time a project using waterfall and a project using Scrum. At the same time, in parallel. Then, you can infer why talk about Agile PM has no sense. In fact, it jeopardizes the work of people that are working as project manager and most of people that are trying to get a new job as project manager.
That would be "Body of Knowledge" :-). If only it could be contained in a single book... Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Sep 29, 2017 12:03 PM
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You could say, Sergio, that the project manager is agile because he can switch between predictive and adaptive frameworks! :)
Hehehe, Indeed!. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Sep 29, 2017 11:44 AM
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How would you consider when to use PM or Agile? would you consider being based on experience? based on the type of project? type of result?
The use of a practice is because to solve a problem. To decide about it you have to make an impact analysis. That is named "needs analysis" inside the PMI´s Business Analysis Guide.PM (project management) is totally independent to be used with practices like Lean, Agile, Six Sigma, etc. I mean, you can use project management following the PMI´s PMBOK Guide and at the same time to apply Agile practice. Saving Changes...
