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Dealing with Irrational and Impossible People on Your Projects

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If you lead projects and people, you inevitably face difficult people. In fact, some of these people seem downright crazy.

I’m not necessarily talking about certifiably mentally ill though that may be the case in rare circumstances. The crazy I’m talking about is the person who acts irrationally. They explode in anger at seemingly nothing. They are overly emotional. They are convinced that others are out to get them. They have an incessant need to be right.

These sorts of crazy can make work and life a chore. A burden. They can suck the life and joy out of what we’re trying to accomplish. And some of us face them regularly.

How do you deal with the crazy that sits in the cubicle across from you or in the office down the hall? Dr. Mark Goulston shares ideas in his latest book entitled Talking to Crazy: How to Deal with the Irrational and Impossible People in Your Life.

To help arm you to deal with the challenging people in your world, here are some key lessons from the book.

Lean Into Their Crazy

The main premise of Talking to Crazy is that you cannot reason people out of their crazy. Mark suggests that we must “lean into it”. Too often when someone is acting irrational, our instinct is to convince them that it’s not that bad. Or that they don't see things clearly.

The truth is you are right. They don't see things clearly. But trying to convince them of that, especially when they are at the height of their irrationality, is fruitless. Actually, you’ll make it worse.

What you see as resistance to change is persistence to them. What you see as complete nonsense is, in their eyes, just further proof of your cluelessness.

I had an executive coaching client convinced that she would get fired from her job. The more she obsessed on that fear, the more irrational she became. Further, this cycle of crazy led her to give every reason to lose her job. I can’t count the number of times I tried to help this person understand that her company was not out to get her. I vigorously explained how her flawed thinking was leading her down a path to the unemployment line. I tried to be rational in the face of her irrationality. And she was just convinced I didn’t understand (a view reinforced when she eventually—and unnecessarily—lost her job).

That’s how crazy works. When you next have to face that person, try to remember that their irrationality is rational to them. Efforts to convince them otherwise will just make things worse.

So, what do you do?

Keep Your Poise

Leaning into crazy starts with letting the person vent. Instead of following your instincts to shed light on the situation, let them unload their irrational thoughts. Don’t take it personally.

Dr. Goulston suggests this is an opportunity…. An opportunity for poise. Of course, that’s easier to say than do, but here’s the wisdom behind that approach. Goulston states that “stripping you of your poise is among an irrational person’s best weapons, and refusing to surrender your poise is one of your best defenses.”

I had a friend who suggested sometimes, you need to meet power with force. If someone pushes you, you need to push back at least as hard. I’ve seen situations where that was called for. But if that’s been your approach in the past and it’s not making things better, do whatever it takes to keep your poise. As George Bernard Shaw observed, “I learned long ago, never wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.” Stay out of the mud by keeping your poise.

Stay Curious

I’m increasingly convinced that the source of much conflict is that people aren’t listening to each other. I’m not suggesting that all conflicts can be settled by heartfelt conversation, but an important skill when dealing with your crazy is to truly listen. Goulston suggests that you stay curious. After letting them vent, ask questions. Look them in the eye as they speak. Goulston even suggests focusing on their left eye. But regardless, stay curious as you listen to their rant.

Donny Ebenstein suggests in his book I Hear You you should listen so well that you can tell their story as well as they can. You don’t have to agree with their story, but you want to listen so intently that you could communicate their concern or frustration so effectively that they understand you’ve actually heard them.

Listening to truly understand is monumentally challenging in the face of crazy. And if the person is violent or goes over the line of respect, the best thing might be just to walk away. But assuming it’s safe, stay curious. What are they feeling, thinking, and doing? (Goulston calls this F-T-D Delivery). Listen so deeply that you understand their perspective, even if you disagree with it.

What’s Next?

By now you’ve held back from trying to convince the person out of their irrationality. You’ve listened well enough to have a better understanding of where they’re coming from. You haven’t interrupted so the person might start to lose some of their intensity. Where do you go from here? 

It depends.

You’ll need to get Talking to Crazy for the full arsenal of options, but here are a few for your consideration:

  • The Belly Roll. Goulston suggests that “sometimes you win the battle by surrendering.” If you are in the wrong, admit it and ask, “What do you want me to do?” Or maybe you are not in the wrong, but you just don’t know what move to make. Goulston suggests something like, “If I say or do something, it will make things worse. If I don’t say or do something, it will make things worse. Given that I have very little confidence in what to do now, I need you to tell me what you need me to say or do to make the situation better for you. What would it take to make this right?” Depending on the situation, the best approach to dealing with the crazy might be to humbly go low.
  • Picture Your Mentors. Goulston suggests that our response could be informed by visualizing how our mentors might respond. Bill Hybels, host of the Global Leadership Summit, suggests that, when faced with a challenging problem, ask yourself “What would a great leader do?” How would a great leader respond to the crazy you’re facing? How would the best boss you ever worked for respond?
  • Anticipate the Crazy. Goulston observes “Irrational people will predictably escalate if you disagree with them, say no to them, tell them they’re wrong, or ask them to do something they don’t want to do.” We may think they’re so unpredictable, but in fact, you can sometimes anticipate the crazy. In Peter Bregman’s book Four Seconds, he asks us to watch for when we say, “I can’t believe they did it again!” His point: stop being surprised they did it again! Of course they did! That’s what they do! By anticipating the crazy, you may be able to avoid or mitigate it in the future.

 There’s no simple formula for dealing with the irrational and impossible people in your life. But there are ways to improve the odds that the crazy people in your world don’t take you down with them. To learn more about Dr. Mark Goulston and his book Talking To Crazy: How to Deal with the Irrational and Impossible People in Your Life, I invite you to watch this recent interview with him (and earn a free PDU).

What are your tips and tricks for dealing with crazy? I invite you to share them as comments below. Thanks!

 

Andy Kaufman, PMP is the host of The People and Projects Podcast, available at http://PeopleAndProjectsPodcast.com and all podcast apps.


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Julia Shumulinsky Senior Project/Program Manager - PMP| American Greetings Lakewood, Oh, United States
I love the section on staying curious. "Crazy" here can also be replaced by "stressed" or "frantic" or "feeling lost" - people go through all of these emotions at various times, and getting folks to talk about it can help in any situation.

We just have to remember - sometimes we're the crazy ones... when that happens, how would we like to be treated?

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PANKAJ KUMAR JOSHI General Manager| Transrail Lighting Limited Nainital, Uttrakhand, India
Very well written. Sometime people are negative with reasoning but sometime they are crazy by attitude. In any case we have to deal with them.

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Andy Kaufman Host| People and Projects Podcast Lake Zurich, Il, United States
@Julia, thank you for the feedback. That's a great point about how crazy comes in many flavors and for various reasons. And I appreciate your reminder that the source of crazy isn't always someone else. As a friend once told me, "If you don't have any weird relatives, then you're the one!" Your Golden rule-esque reminder is well stated.

@Pankaj, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree--regardless of the "why", we have to deal with them. A significant lesson for me from Mark's book is that, even if the reasoning isn't justified in mind, it's reasonable in theirs. We need to first spend more time trying to understand their perspective instead of trying to convince them otherwise. Thanks again!

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Mohit Jain Associate Director| Ramco Systems Faridabad, Haryana, India
Good Article Andy on the crazy people and the strategy to handle them.

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Babatunde Fakunle Executive Director| Centre For Sustainable Access to Health in Africa Stoney Creek, Ontario, Canada
Anybody can manage "normal" people. Ability to effectively manage "difficult" and "crazy" people and bring the best out of them is what separates a good project manager from an outstanding one.

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Anzor Misabishvili Project Manager| TD Bank Cherry Hill, Nj, United States
Great article and probably relevant to all of us. I know I could relate.
"Lean Into Their Crazy" is a very important concept. From my personal experience, I completely agree. One of my coworkers saw a threat in every action, word, or email coming from other colleagues. For a while I tried being the rational one and dissipate all their worries, but it was causing them to get upset with me. Only after I stopped explaining the actions of other people and didn't challenge their irrational beliefs, did our rapport improve significantly.

However, I have to agree with Julia's comment above. For all we know, we might be the ones that are crazy and irrational. I don't think there are any crazy people who know that they are crazy.

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SANKAR HALDAR SENIOR MANAGER - PROJECT CONTROL| GS ENGINEERING & CONSTRUCTION CORPORATION Gurgaon, Haryana, India
Interesting post, Andy.

Appreciate the methods you described to handle such people. This will come handy.
As Julia suggested, I tend to think, there is an element of craziness in all of us and we don't recognize it unless pointed out by some one else. Craziness to some extent is not bad possibly.

Problem starts when a person crosses a certain boundary.

That boundary is crossed when job is adversely affected , productivity downgraded, communication misunderstood.

So, managers need to deal effectively, as Pankaj mentioned, such over-the-boundary crazy people. But the yardstick of calling someone crazy should be objective based on certain criteria .

The instances you have cited have one specific characteristics - obsessiveness, repetitive irrational behavior or disobedience. I tend to reason that persons displaying these characteristics do need psychiatric treatment. So, if a certain person shows consistently such symptoms, PM should report that to the functional head and HR. In worst case, if the person's behavior is disruptive , he/she should be discharged from the project, after warning 2-3 times.

I did not meet persons of this kind in office place. Or met them and didn't notice as they were within the normal boundary.

But I did meet persons with CRAZY IDEAS. Note, there is a difference between craze people and people with CRAZY ideas. Here, the people are perfect normal , except that they display a flair of producing in abundance crazy ideas one after another. I used to like them and some of their ideas proved enormously useful in project and personal life. So, I entertain persons with CRAZY IDEAS.


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Andy Kaufman Host| People and Projects Podcast Lake Zurich, Il, United States
@Sankar, thank you for sharing those brilliant insights. I really appreciate the important distinctions you make. "Crazy" on it's own does not sufficiently describe the many different scenarios. Thank you for adding to the discussion.

@Anzor, thank you for sharing your scenario! That is very helpful as many people will be able to relate to it.

@Babatunde, your comment reminded me of a point in my career. I had thus far managed teams with very strong, capable members. I began to think I was a good manager! It wasn't until I inherited more challenging teams that I realized I had GREAT room for development....


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Juan Gabriel Gantiva Vergara IT PMO Manager| Private Madrid, Spain
People is most important. We are not machine, you have to motivate people to be highly productive. The new way of working is prevailing in many organizations

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Brian Mukoyi Projects Manager| J R Goddard Contracting Bulawayo, Zimbabwe
Human capital is the greatest asset to a project. A PM has to develop skills to deal with all kinds of people. I onced worked with a site manager whom i would often advise to take a walk or drive off site for a few minutes when he had reached a certain point. that strategy worked because he would come back calmer.

The bottom line is the PM has to think outside the box in managing personnel and its not a one size fits all approach in Human resources management.

Thank you for the great article./

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Christian Velazquez BARA Process Lead| Cadena de Descuento BARA Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico
Great advices! on al projects this types of challenges are faced all the time.

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