What is Post Agile? with Dhaval Panchal and Michael Tardiff

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Last Spring, Martin Fowler gave a talk at Agile Australia called "The State of Agile Software in 2018."  (A transcript of Fowler’s talk can be found using the  link provided below.) During the talk, he mentions “post-agile.” It is a phrase I had previously heard mention of here and there by folks who tend to be pretty deep with agile and who are frustrated for one reason or another by how it is being (mis)used by others. 

I spent time time researching what “post-agile” actually means. What I found was a wide range of explanations, but no clear, definitive answer. The more I dug into it, the more I found myself gravitating towards my own inner explanation. Since I didn’t really want to end up mansplaining the term to myself, I thought it might be a good idea to seek some professional help.

In this podcast you’ll hear a conversation between Dhaval Panchal, Michael Tardiff, and myself where we explore the topic of “post-agile”—what it actually means and whether or not it is something you need to worry about.  Dhaval and Michael are deeply seasoned agile coaches who are also really fun to interview. Talking with them always provides me with a new perspective and deeper clarity on things. That was definitely the case with this discussion. Hopefully it will be valuable to you as well. 

This podcast is our conversation exploring the topic of what “post-agile” actually means and whether or not you need to worry about it.

 

Here are some of the links referred to in the podcast:

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Philosophy meets Agile ;-)

Doesn't this all point to Agile not being agile? Just like the US Constitution was never meant to be graven in stone but updated every 25 years or so (whoops!), the Agile Manifesto hasn't evolved (thanks Dhaval).
Consider "We are uncovering better ways of useful activity by doing it and helping others do it."
If Agile was agile, it could be fractal (including itself), and pull in other amazing disciplines , contribute to the other amazing disciplines, and contribute to and learn from application in domains other than technology. And hey, Education, I'm looking right at you!
We're pushing this rock up the education hill. While people are still being educated in a system that's designed to produce a workforce that's obedient, productive, and skillful, that's what they're going to think their job is supposed to be! While they're being groomed to pass exams to please their parents and prove their school is worthy, how do you expect them to behave! Thank god for millennials starting to question it all and demand a life more meaningful than being "good enough" to meet the performance evaluation.
If we're serious about this, it's going to take a transformation of education.
Of course, if we want to have a job for life, let's not take on education, and just keep trying to transform the world of work - that is a product of the education. That was designed for the industrial revolution... oh. There's your problem!

And thanks for calling out that it's us - the (ex) Agile Coaches - who might just be helping organizations do the wrong damn thing so much more effectively! (Let's scale Dunning Kreuger! Yay!)

And... final "and" for today - Agile is far and away the most useful "gateway drug" to having people in work get "work", achieve a level of consciousness, to actually get good at "uncovering better ways". Some will, some won't. Do it anyhow.

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