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In Defense of Frederick Taylor with Christine Li

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In this episode, I am joined by a very special guest, Christine Li, for a conversation I have been waiting to record for quite a while now. 

Backstory

I am closing in on 30 years of work in Project Management and for most of that time, I, like many of you, have been talking smack about Frederick Taylor. My opinions were based on the things I learned from others along the way and were (obviously) deeply informed by moving from traditional PM over to Agile. As far as I was concerned, this guy was the birth of work misery.

But over the past few years, I’ve started to develop this weird compulsion to stick up for the good bits that came out of his work. I mean, literally, no one working in project management or agile would have a job without this guy. You can also make an argument that without him the United States never would have made it through WWII. 

Even though I was willing to have Taylor’s back in an argument, there was one thing missing… 

I had never actually read his work. 

CUE ALL THE PM SHAME!

So I did. I read The Principles of Scientific Management. And, to my shock, not only was it easy to read, but it was fun to read how this guy figured out the things he figured out. Yes, there are a few critical issues with his approach (and they are big issues), but there is a TON of good stuff in there that we all ignore because he’s such an easy target.

(And I really want to go back in time and get hired as SPEED BOSS)

After reading it, I was at a lunch and happened to mention my newfound Taylor Fanboy-ness and Christine Li showed up like Yoda, deep with the PM history geek. She took me to school and that is where this conversation starts. 

My hope is that even if you think Frederick Taylor is the Sauron of Project Management, you’ll give this a listen. Maybe it will challenge your understanding of him and his work. Maybe it will (I hope) entice you to read his work. And even if you’ve read his work and can see the good in it, the things Christine shares will level up your understanding as well. 

I am very grateful to her for making time for this. It was a really fun conversation. 

drunkenpmradio · In Defense of Frederick Taylor w Christine Li

For Further Reading
The Principles of Scientific Management by Frederick Taylor https://bit.ly/3H8XtPG
Scientific Management; a History and Criticism by Horace Drury https://bit.ly/3QFhEIr


Contacting Christine

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Story Points are Good AND Evil with Ryan Ripley

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A few weeks ago while I was teaching a CSM class, I got a Slack message from Ron Quartel pointing me to a tweet by Ryan Ripley. The tweet said “If you are sitting in a Scrum Training class and the trainer starts teaching Story Points, you should 1. Get up. 2. Demand Your Money Back, and 3. Walk out. You're wasting your time. 

Here is a link to the tweet: https://bit.ly/3XsfPAP

I should mention I was just about to cover Story Points and I used Ryan's tweet in class as part of our conversation.

As soon as I saw Ryan's tweet, I DM'd him asking if we could do a podcast about it. I did this because A) I have a lot of respect for Ryan and value his opinion, B) earlier in my career I spent about 4 years fighting against Story Points, C) I do teach them in class because I believe that (used properly) they can be incredibly valuable to a Scrum Team, and D) I love getting into debates on topics I feel strongly about with really smart people who might be able to change my mind

So this podcast is Ryan and I talking through his reason for throwing shade on Story Points, my reasons for standing up for them, and the reasons I feel comfortable saying that we are aligned about why Story Points are good AND evil.

Contacting Ryan:
Web: https://AgileforHumans.com
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AgileforHumans
Fixing Your Scrum by Ryan Ripley and Todd Miller: https://amzn.to/3Qyjs5S
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanripley/

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Value Stream Management with Derek Huether

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Derek Huether is back for this episode and we’re focusing on Value Stream Management. Value Stream Mapping is about understanding all the steps from the inception of an idea to putting something valuable in a customer's hands, and using that information to optimize the flow of value through the system. But, within a business, you will have many value streams and we need to understand how best to coordinate those streams to optimize the overall value generated by the company across multiple value streams. If your brain is wired for traditional project management, you could think of this as creating a system that optimizes a portfolio management level view of all the value streams in the org.

During the interview, Derek and I explore why Value Stream Management is so important, how it works, the connection to Value Stream Mapping, and how you can get started with it. 


(If you would prefer an audio-only version of the above, you can find it here.)


Contacting Derek


Web: www.derekhuether.com


LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/derekhuether/


Twitter: twitter.com/derekhuether


Email: [email protected]

Derek’s Amazon Page: https://bit.ly/3GPEQQQ

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Improving Value Delivery In Your Organization with Gil Broza

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Gil Broza has been a guest on this podcast a number of times in the past. He’s the author of several books that focus on Agile, including The Human Side of Agile and Agile for Non-Software Teams. Gil is a teacher, lecturer, and the founder of 3PVantage. He also helps organizations transform to Agile, and he’s developed a new tool called Square that can be used to assess your value delivery so that you can make an intentional, well-informed choice about which improvements are the right ones to pursue. The tool is simple to use and you can perform an assessment in just a few minutes. During this interview, Gil explains why he created the tool, how it works, and how it can help you take a holistic look at how you handle Product Development so that you can make strategic choices about how and when to improve your ability to deliver value. 

drunkenpmradio · Improving Value Delivery In Your Organization w Gil Broza

 

More about Square

https://3pvantage.com/improve-your-value-delivery/

Contacting Gil

Web: https://3pvantage.com
Email: [email protected]
Twitter: https://twitter.com/gilbroza
LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/gilbroza
 

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Getting Your First Scrum Master Job with Richard Cheng

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So you’ve made the decision that you want to get a job as a Scrum Master. Maybe you’re working on an agile team and want to switch roles, or maybe you’re moving from a field where agile has no presence. If you don’t already have experience working in an environment that has adopted Scrum, then the big question is… how do you land the gig.

In this episode, I am joined by my good friend Richard Cheng to talk about how to get started working as a Scrum Master. We both run across a lot of people in our classes that are trying to find a way to transition into the Scrum Master role. We also meet a lot of people who have decided they want to make a career change and feel like being the Scrum Master for a Scrum Team might be a good fit. During the interview Richard and discuss what the role actually entails, some common misconceptions about it, key differences between being a Project Manager and being a Scrum Master, the pros and cons of the job, and ways you can how you get started on the path towards getting your first official job as Scrum Master.

There have been a lot of dramatic changes in the technology space lately, and a lot of people have been making a decision to leave their company job and become an independent consultant working in Agile. Richard is a Certified Scrum Trainer and Agile Coach and he recently made this choice and has gone out on his own. Toward the end of the interview, he also shares what led him to make this choice to become an independent consultant and the steps he's taking to establish himself. If you are considering a similar move, his experience working through this transition could provide some valuable insights for you.

 

drunkenpmradio · Getting your first Scrum Master Gig w Richard Cheng

 

Contacting Richard

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